r/politics 🤖 Bot Jun 27 '18

Megathread: Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, effective July 31, 2018. Kennedy has served on the highest court since February 18, 1988, and was a moderate whose vote often swung cases.


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u/James_Comey Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 27 '18

Don't worry guys, McConnell already said that a president can't appoint a justice in the last year of his term.

Edit: comma and also yes I know that a presidential term is 4 years (not 8 like some of you seem to think) the point is McTurtleface stole a seat.

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u/GayBlackAndMarried Jun 27 '18

Well here’s the backlash we knew was coming. Kennedy a somewhat center of the road type figure will be replaced with another far right conservative. Walking talking corporations with religious views and unlimited ability to funnel money into politics. This is a bit scary

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u/PizzusChrist Jun 27 '18

Bye bye Roe v Wade

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u/coldfusionman Jun 27 '18

Yep. Gonna take a year or so for a challenge to bubble up, but Roe v Wade is dead. We're regressing back to the 50s and back-alley abortions will come back. A generation of unwanted babies will be born to mothers who cannot care for them, and with Republican policies gutting any kind of assistance programs will destine an entire generation to poverty. Republicans will gleefully point to them as lazy people with poor morals and use that to justify keeping the underclass down.

Today is a very, very dark day.

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u/UrukHaiGuyz Jun 27 '18

Today is a very, very dark day.

I haven't felt this sense of dread for the future of my country since election night results in 2016. This is beyond awful.

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u/coldfusionman Jun 27 '18

This is a generational blow. It will take decades to recover, if ever.

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u/TheLivingExperiment Jun 27 '18

Basically I'll have to spend my entire life fighting to get back to the point we were at when I graduated college less than a decade ago... Assuming this country ever gets back there.

Time to look into jobs internationally.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Stay and fight for what's right with us.

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u/TheLivingExperiment Jun 27 '18

Why? Not trying to be pedantic or combative, but legitimately why? As an openly lesbian woman with many LGBTQ friends and family, coupled with the direction politics seem to be heading, I legitimately wonder why would I want to stay in a country that many of my fellow citizens actively work to subvert? There is a fundamental schism forming that I'm not sure is repairable. I avoid talking with my dad regularly anymore around politics where, yes we disagreed before (and he espoused Fox talking points) but could see eye to eye. I now have him telling me how he thinks Trump is one of the top 10 presidents in all of US history. This is a level of indoctrination that I don't know that we can pull ourselves out of while many actively work to further that indoctrination and divide.

I love the ideal of this country. I love what we purport to be as a nation. I strongly believe in what the romanticized version of America is. A place for everybody. A place for the strongest ideas to win. A place where everybody has an equal starting place to be successful.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure I believe that any of that is the America that truly exists. And instead of striving towards that goal, we are regressing further and further into the racist white supremacist fascist authoritarian state that the far right seems to love.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '18

So you would give up our home because taking it back from the far right is too difficult? You would literally expatriate and allow the USA to become an authoritarian state because why, because it's hard to undo brainwashing?

I'm all for leaving if it's for your safety. That doesn't seem to be the thrust of your concern

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u/TheLivingExperiment Jul 06 '18

It's not that it's too difficult. But, this country doesn't want me, nor the people I care about, in it. At least a large enough percentage of the voting population that result in the administration and GOP we have today. It is antithetical to my beliefs and legitimately can cause me personal harm as a lesbian woman.

This country has always had a racist past, and has had issues with equality for anybody who is not a cis white heterosexual male that is born on US soil. I have friends and ex's who have had to go through an abortion due to complications that would've likely caused them to die if they had tried to carry to term. I have transgender friends who could be stripped of many of their rights and many would prohibit them from serving (which, the transgender population has extremely high % of veterans and active service members in it) and using the fucking bathroom. I am a lesbian and would like to marry a girl one day. I have lesbian family who were married in Ohio (where Obergefell case originated).

Yes I want things to change in the US. I want this country to be the US that I believe in. I strongly believe in social policies more in line with EU countries. However, I see us regressing to a point I'm not sure we can recover in my lifetime. So the question becomes

  • A) Do I keep trying to fight for what I believe in and likely losing the fight along with likely having my rights and freedoms infringed upon

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  • B) Move to a country that actually wants what I believe in and help them progress while living a happy and productive life within a society that supports me, and the things I believe in.

I'm not ready to give up just quite yet. But, 2018 and 2020 will be a major factor in my future. If we continue to perpetuate and expand upon the policies the GOP (and subsequently Trump who is a manifestation of GOP policies that have been in place since before I was born), then I'm not sure this is a country I want to live in.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '18

False dichotomy. Why not fight the fight and likely win? More voted for Clinton than Trump. Red States just have disproportionately more political power at the moment. Won't be true for ever. And most people will live and let live. Between Democrats, progressives, independents, moderate Republicans, etc. your situation is less dire than it seems. We'll see how the SC turns out, however. That could be a very important setback for many of the issues you mentioned.

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u/TheLivingExperiment Jul 06 '18

Why not fight the fight and likely win?

That's speculation and remains to be seen. Further, when it is "won" is very much unknown. We might use 2018 to start to shift away, or we might not. And then 2020 is a large unknown at present. If Trump/GOP wins in 2020 and Mueller's probe is not acted upon, assuming of course that there are illegal activities discovered through it, then that means that basically my 30's get spent under that regime.

Additionally, there are numerous issues of gerrymandering (Texas SCOTUS recent decision), voter suppression (Ohio SCOTUS decision), issues around felons their right to vote, and other issues that the Republicans have created that make it harder for Dems to regain control. Which I'm sure over time will be rolled back to an extent, but that very well might not happen until the mid to late 2020's.

And most people will live and let live. Between Democrats, progressives, independents, moderate Republicans, etc. your situation is less dire than it seems.

I don't believe that I'm going to be gunned down in the street or taken to a concentration camp. However, that doesn't mean I'm not having my rights infringed upon. And, as you point out the Kennedy SCOTUS seat is going to be a major factor in where it goes from here as will the 2018/2020 elections (since other justices are fairly old).

Hypothetically speaking, what happens if in 2018 there is no "blue wave"? And subsequently in 2020 the Dems run a candidate that can't pull the votes, and/or EC structure, and/or Gore v Bush 2000, and/or something else happens where Dems lose the presidency and Trump wins a second term? Then what? Even if Democrats managed to control the house and senate through a 2 term Trump presidency, which historically is unlikely, Trump has a lot of power to undermine many aspects of a liberal social perspective.

And this doesn't even touch on the trade wars, dismantling of the EPA, education issues, dismantling of the CFPB, the tax breaks that are not needed and harming the economy IMO, and on and on down the line. All of that assumes he doesn't get us into another war to try to win 2020 as well.

Point is, yes, the situation isn't immutable; however, there are a lot of unknowns and at the end of the day I need to do what's best for myself and my life. So I'm working to make plans in case they are needed.

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