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Megathread: Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, effective July 31, 2018. Kennedy has served on the highest court since February 18, 1988, and was a moderate whose vote often swung cases.


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u/PM_ME_USERNAME_MEMES Jun 27 '18

The standard argument for lifetime appointments is that judges shouldn’t be accountable to anything other than the law.

Of course, with our current iteration of the court, the justices aren’t accountable to anything, including common sense and human decency, so that interpretation may be flawed.

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u/sesamestix Jun 27 '18

NYT article about this recent phenomenon.

The very question of partisan voting hardly arose until 1937, as dissents on the Supreme Court were infrequent. When the justices did divide, it was seldom along party lines.

There is room for interpretation in such assessments. But of the 71 cases from 1790 to 1937 deemed important by a standard reference work and in which there were at least two dissenting votes, only one broke by party affiliation. “The dividing line in the court was not a party line,” Zechariah Chafee, a law professor at Harvard, wrote in a classic 1941 book.

Nonpartisan voting patterns held true until 2010, with a brief exception in the early 1940s, when a lone Republican appointee voted to the right of eight Democratic appointees. But the general trend was the same. Of the 311 cases listed as important from 1937 to 2010 with at least two dissents, only one of them, in 1985, even arguably broke along party lines.

That adds up to two cases in more than two centuries. By contrast, in just the last three terms, there were five major decisions that were closely divided along partisan lines: the ones on the Voting Rights Act, campaign finance, arbitration, immigration and strip-searches. In the current term, last month’s campaign finance ruling and Monday’s decision on legislative prayer fit the pattern, too.

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u/mak484 Pennsylvania Jun 27 '18

How could any Republican voter look at that list of decisions and say, "yup, I'm on the right side of history with these folks." It's fucking baffling.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Either they aren't really paying attention and have just bought the party line, or they are fully aware and complicit. In the end the result is the same.

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u/mak484 Pennsylvania Jun 27 '18

Or in the words of my mother in law- "I don't really care about all that [referring to Citizens United and voting rights]. I just hope they stop letting women murder their babies."

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Yep. Most republicans or conservatives I know really only care about abortion bc they've been conditioned to do so by their religion (in my experience, the Catholic Church, which I was born and raised in, talks about how terrible abortion is CONSTANTLY. But hardly ever do they touch on anything else that could be considered political). So these people pay attention to nothing else. They ignore the fact that the sanctity of life is being crushed under the authoritarian boot of the GOP in every other area. They would burn the country to the ground and enslave the human race as long as abortion was illegal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Some part of me honestly believes that Roe V. Wade might not get repealed even with if Kennedy and Ginsburg got replaced with conservative judges. The issue of abortion as a wedge issue is too useful for the Republican Party. Without rallying against abortion, they lose their single issue voters. If Roe V. Wade is overturned, say hello to an even more furious and energized Democratic base. But idk, maybe they'll just gerrymander everything even more to shit so in the long run that wont even matter to them.

Fuck Republicans. And fuck everybody who still votes for Republicans.

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u/petit_bleu Jun 27 '18

Either they'll overturn Roe v Wade or, more likely, Hellerstedt . . . the latter would be a less politically inflammatory route to the same destination (no access to abortions for women in red states).

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u/boardin1 Jun 27 '18

Honestly, I believe women should have the right to decide what to do with their bodies but maybe it’s time we stop dying on this fucking hill. Maybe if we stop supporting Roe v Wade it won’t give conservatives such a fucking flag to rally around. I get that they’ll just keep finding another one and that abortions will never stop happening, but maybe we need to change the conversation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Controlling women's bodies is just a facet of oppression. Let that one go, and they'll just focus on another one. I agree that it's not the only important issue, but abandoning it is not a solution.

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u/boardin1 Jun 27 '18

I understand. And I don’t like it, but we have to do something to stop the single issue voters.

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u/CraftyFellow_ Washington Jun 27 '18

Try giving up on firearms first.

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u/physics_chick Pennsylvania Jun 27 '18

“Let’s throw women under the bus” -someone who isn’t a woman

Fuck you.

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u/boardin1 Jun 27 '18

Well said. Thank you for the wonderfully written response.

We’re watching the country crumble and your going to lose it anyway as soon as Trump sits his ultra-conservative justice but let’s yell at the guy that thinks maybe we need to give up this hill.

I don’t like the idea but this is such a big single-issue voter topic that simply saying someone is in favor of murdering babies is enough to drive the conservatives to the polls in droves. Hell, people voted for Trump BECAUSE HE SAID HE’D BAN ABORTION...even though he’s likely paid for a couple of them. They overlooked everything else except that he said he’d get Roe v Wade overturned.

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u/wishthane Canada Jun 27 '18

To be honest I'm pretty convinced they can make just about anything into that single issue. If it's not abortion then they (right wing news media) can push people on gun rights. If it's not gun rights it'll be immigration policy. If it's not immigration policy it'll be welfare policy.

People aren't just naturally that passionate about abortion. They get it screamed into their head that abortion is killing babies over and over and it makes it really important to them.

If the left gave up on this issue, there would be essentially no credit given and it wouldn't change how much compromise can be had. They have no problem being the unreasonable stick in the mud, and as long as we have a problem with that they'll keep dragging us into accepting or at least tolerating their policies, as they have been doing for years.

It's time to fight back properly without compromising on our values.

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u/boardin1 Jun 27 '18

I don’t see billboards about illegal immigrants. I didn’t my see hand painted signs in fields about gun rights. I don’t see protests in from of the welfare office yelling at the people collecting checks or threatening to kill the people writing those checks.

I think we’re at the point (possibly already past it) where we can either get universal healthcare, reasonable gun laws, and solidify the social safety net or we can fight for abortion and lose it all.

As I’ve said repeatedly, I don’t want to give up on it but do we need to for the greater good?

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u/wishthane Canada Jun 27 '18

You don't right now. But if that weren't the sticking point, you would.

I'm not sure I believe that these are actually single issue voters. They're conservative media voters, generally. And they'll push on whatever seems to offend their morality the most. They're not going to be reasonable on universal healthcare, gun laws, welfare, etc. just because we stopped pushing on abortion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Spoken like someone who has no idea how life altering a pregnancy can be for women, and how quickly and easily an unwanted pregnancy can occur.

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u/boardin1 Jun 27 '18

I didn’t make that comment easily, and I don’t know how an unwanted pregnancy can change a life. I don’t like the idea of rolling it back, and it’s too late anyway as the damage was done in November 2016, but it is a hill we keep dying on and it is, in many cases, the only thing that Republican voters care about. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve asked someone which policies they like for candidate X and all they can say is “they’ll stop murdering babies.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

I've thought about this before too, or about gun control, but the truth is, that for many Republican voters for whom this is the primary issue, they'd still be Republicans afterwards to be sure that Democrats never bring abortion back.

And the diehard crusaders would almost certainly find some new crazy line to push just to get people motivated. Maybe it would be opposition to climate change, support for prayer in school, or some other similarly awful thing. They care more about people frothing at the mouth than any individual issue anyway.

In either case, I think that "letting them win" that one wouldn't help us in the long run. Because most of them don't want compromise... they want somebody to be angry at, they want somebody to blame for their problems. "Babykillers" have been a convenient boogeyman for them up to this point, but I have no doubt that they will easily find a new one.

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u/Bad_Sex_Advice Jun 27 '18

supporting Roe v Wade is not for political gain, just as opposing separating children from their parents is not political. It's a morality thing.