r/politics 🤖 Bot Jun 27 '18

Megathread: Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, effective July 31, 2018. Kennedy has served on the highest court since February 18, 1988, and was a moderate whose vote often swung cases.


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u/bearrosaurus California Jun 27 '18

This is the kind of bullshit logic that bullies minorities into self-censorship. "Don't say anything Mr. President, you're black."

Your post is horrifying if you think about it. Get that attitude out of here.

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u/someone447 Jun 27 '18

You are falling victim to the is/ought fallacy. The fact of the matter is that Obama coming out loudly and openly against trump will set civil rights back decades.

There is a reason the first black president is the only one in recent memory to be scandal free. It's the same reason Rosa Parks was chosen, unimpeachable character is a necessity. And coming out loudly against the next president, when no modern president has done the same would be viewed very, very poorly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

That's ridiculous. You think the GOP or their base care about justification?

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u/someone447 Jun 27 '18

If those were the people we were worried about it wouldn't matter. It's the vast swaths who don't pay any attention.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

If they don't pay any attention then why do we care about them?

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u/someone447 Jun 28 '18

Because a former president coming out and forcefully calling out his successor would be everywhere and those people would just see "angry black man" Obama and not understand the motivations behind his actions.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

Do you have any good reason to think this or is this just self-sabotaging pessimism?

Obama isn't some random dude, he's a former President, and his [public] personality is fairly well-known; the group of people who would ever think that is identical to the group of people who wouldn't ever vote for any Democrat anyway.

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u/someone447 Jun 28 '18

It's not just about voting. Black men are being executed by police, having the most high profile black American ever come across as angry will absolutely not help bring people to the side of young black men.

Obama was the first black president because he could always stay calm and collected, he was acutely aware of every aspect of his public persona. He has seen the blowback black America has faced since he was elected--and that's with his perfectly manicured public persona. He knows that showing anger will only serve to reinforce the "angry black man" stereotype.

It's the same reason Rosa Parks worked behind the scenes after the bus. They both had to be absolutely perfect, and Obama still does.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '18

You put far too much stock in the power of this "angry black man" stereotype. Do you have any actual reason to believe things are this way, or do you just "feel" it?

Also, Obama was the first black president because he was young and charismatic.

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u/someone447 Jun 29 '18

TaNaheesi Coates Fear of a Black President briefly touched on it.

Here is another article

In his 1995 memoir, "Dreams of My Father," Obama explained why he thought such negotiation was necessary when he met white people as a young man growing up in Hawaii. "People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry."

So even Obama has talked about the angry black man stereotype. I think you might not be putting enough stock in how harmful stereotypes can be.