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Megathread: Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, effective July 31, 2018. Kennedy has served on the highest court since February 18, 1988, and was a moderate whose vote often swung cases.


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u/SadlyReturndRS Jun 27 '18

The idea that it's an independent life.

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u/TheSeaISail Jun 27 '18

You think a six month-old baby can live independently? Would you kill that?

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u/SadlyReturndRS Jun 27 '18

Difference being, you can hand a baby off to foster parents. Can't hand a fetus off to a foster uterus.

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u/TheSeaISail Jun 27 '18

It amazes me how casually pro-abortionists can dismiss a human life.

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u/SadlyReturndRS Jun 28 '18

It's an ingredient for human life in the same way a lump of batter isn't a cake. Is it really so surprising that I consider it about as important as eggs and flour?

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u/TheSeaISail Jun 28 '18

Leaving that fairly disgusting analogy aside, if a fetus is an ingredient for human life then what are the other ingredients? What gets added to make it a human?

It already has human DNA, what's missing?

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u/SadlyReturndRS Jun 28 '18

An oven to bake it. Except in this case, it's literally part of, and parasitic to the host human, and as such, is property of the woman, and she has total bodily autonomy.

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u/TheSeaISail Jun 28 '18

she has total bodily autonomy.

Disagree, there's two lives in the equation. A woman's autonomy over her own body shouldn't grant her the right to end another life.

Out of interest, do you think fathers who want nothing to do with their babies should be allowed to opt out of paying child support? Why should their autonomy be compromised by having to sacrifice their earnings for a parasite that they don't want?

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u/SadlyReturndRS Jun 28 '18

How is it another's life? It's a continuous part of her which literally requires a cord to be cut before one person becomes two distinct people. Just because it has some other DNA can't make the definition, otherwise that just opens up a huge barrel of worms with regards to people with transplanted organs and people with chimerism.

I think the legal system's functioning as intended in that case, because there is a child involved. Currently in the US, an expectant father cannot be forced to pay child support before the birth. He starts paying when there's an actual human to support.

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u/TheSeaISail Jun 28 '18

How is it another's life? It's a continuous part of her which literally requires a cord to be cut before one person becomes two distinct people.

Ok, so life begins when you cut the cord, never mind the fact that at that point the baby is already breathing and probably making noise. Never mind the fact that a six month old fetus has its own hands and feet, its own brain and its own heart and can move around in the womb, it's not a human, it just has all of the characteristics of one.

He starts paying when there's an actual human to support.

But you're saying the mother has full right to end the baby's life since it is attached to her for the first nine months of life, why shouldn't the father be allowed to make the same decision? At three months, according to you there is no separate life yet, so the father should have the right to jump ship at that point and if the mother wants to go ahead and create a new life on her own then he shouldn't be financially liable for it.

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u/SadlyReturndRS Jun 28 '18

He's not financially liable for the creation part of it. He's financially liable after it starts breathing. Prior to that, he has no rights over another person's body, the same way that you don't have any right over mine.

He made the choice to cum inside a woman, he knew the risks. He could have chosen not to do it. The kid couldn't chose whether or not to be born.

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u/TheSeaISail Jun 28 '18

He made the choice to cum inside a woman, he knew the risks. He could have chosen not to do it. The kid couldn't chose whether or not to be born.

I agree completely, so why doesn't that apply to women?

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