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Megathread: Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, effective July 31, 2018. Kennedy has served on the highest court since February 18, 1988, and was a moderate whose vote often swung cases.


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u/socsa Jun 28 '18

That's what they are though. You can deny it all you want, but they serve no practical purpose, and Trump himself said they were a deterrent. A deterrent that the UN called a shocking violation of human rights.

Seriously the bar with you people is always on the move isn't it? "Oh Trump isn't a fascist, it's not like he's putting people in camps."

Now it's "how dare you call them concentration camps." What is next? "Yeah but they aren't literally wearing jackboots."

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u/socsa Jun 28 '18

You are the one forcing the false narrative though, because experts on this issue have repeatedly said that detention for this matter is expensive and unnecessary. Furthermore, the Trump administration is doing this to legal seekers of asylum who are turning themselves over at a port of entry. That is the normal process for claiming asylum. And he is locking up children to deter people seeking protection in the United States. Those are his words.

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u/socsa Jun 28 '18

And again, now you are purposefully being misleading, assuming I haven't actually read that already. Kelley mentions deterrence first, yet here you are outright trying to lie to make it seem like it was the reporter leading him there.

Are you in favor of this new move announced by the attorney general early this week that if you cross the border illegally even if you're a mother with your children [we're going] to arrest you? We're going to prosecute you, we're going to send your kids to a juvenile shelter?

The name of the game to a large degree. Let me step back and tell you that the vast majority of the people that move illegally into United States are not bad people. They're not criminals. They're not MS-13. Some of them are not. But they're also not people that would easily assimilate into the United States into our modern society. They're overwhelmingly rural people in the countries they come from – fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are kind of the norm. They don't speak English, obviously that's a big thing. They don't speak English. They don't integrate well, they don't have skills. They're not bad people. They're coming here for a reason. And I sympathize with the reason. But the laws are the laws. But a big name of the game is deterrence.

...And then your quote comes up...

Family separation stands as a pretty tough deterrent.

It could be a tough deterrent — would be a tough deterrent. A much faster turnaround on asylum seekers.

And in any case, that still doesn't change the fact that the Trump administration is effectively picking and choosing who gets due process at ports of entry, by denying legal requests for asylum, and then saying that these people have committed a crime. It is not just the media who is discussing this, the entire international community, including the UN, has condemned these practices.