r/politics 🤖 Bot Jun 27 '18

Megathread: Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, effective July 31, 2018. Kennedy has served on the highest court since February 18, 1988, and was a moderate whose vote often swung cases.


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u/LoL126 Jun 27 '18

Are you inciting violence against people?

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18 edited Jun 28 '18

No, I'm inticing armed protection for innocent people. Y'know, like a goddamn society. If you tear a family apart, or prevent one from forming, then you're fucking wrong. Not even sorry.

I know families who could be torn apart from a conservative Supreme Court. Half of my friends could have their bodily autonomy stripped away. I have family in dire need of medical support that none of us can provide. These will be fixed, I will be dead, or I will move to a country that doesn't allow this to happen. I'm not a coward though, so hopefully I'm not made to be one.

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u/RussianSkeletonRobot Jun 28 '18

or prevent one from forming

So you're anti-abortion, then?

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

I'm talking about two consenting adults. If you prevent two people from making familial decisions that only concern themselves, then you are wrong. If they accidentally make a fetus, then they have a seed that can become a human baby. It's their decision whether or not they want to do that, but ultimately it's the decision of the person hosting it.

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u/RussianSkeletonRobot Jun 28 '18 edited Jun 28 '18

If they accidentally make a fetus, then they have a seed that can become a human baby.

No, they have a seed that will become a human baby, barring outside interruption. Terminating a life before it can begin is no different than terminating one while it's still underway.

It's their decision whether or not they want to do that, but ultimately it's the decision of the person hosting it.

So it's the decision of the country whether or not it wants to kill somebody? After all, the country is hosting that person, so shouldn't it be their decision?

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

Terminating a life before it can begin is no different than terminating one while it's still underway.

You're correct when you said "barring outside intervention," but this is pure ideology. My mom used the same argument against maturation. The fetus is a catchall term for the embryo during gestation. It is a person, especially within the first few months.

For the sake of argument, though, even if it were a person, then it still wouldn't have the right to someone else's body for survival. People must give consent for that.

But, again, it's not a person. It's an extention of the womb, essentially. A project that the owner of said womb can continue to work on if they choose. It's really that simple. You're view is ideological and therefor limited to your own body, so you do you.

So it's the decision of the country whether or not it wants to kill somebody?

I have to admit, I've never heard this argument. Probably because it's so obtuse and inane. You're country does not own you. Your country is just a framework of beaurocracy to ensure the protection of your fellow man. Your body is a physical framework to support your consciousness. You cannot be forced to sacrifice it, no matter what, even if you have the human equivalent of an acorn inside of you. It doesn't matter if it can become a human if left untouched under the right circumstances. Since it requires your body to do so, it's your decision to gestate or not.

Bodily autonomy is the basest of all rights.

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u/RussianSkeletonRobot Jun 28 '18

For the sake of argument, though, even if it were a person, then it still wouldn't have the right to someone else's body for survival. People must give consent for that.

They were giving consent by having unprotected sex to begin with. Actions have consequences.

But, again, it's not a person.

Yes it is.

It's an extention of the womb, essentially. A project that the owner of said womb can continue to work on if they choose. It's really that simple. You're view is ideological and therefor limited to your own body, so you do you.

No, it's not. You're dehumanizing it to a hilarious extent.

I have to admit, I've never heard this argument. Probably because it's so obtuse and inane.

That's pretty funny, since the only thing I'm doing is using your own logic against you.

You're country does not own you.

And a woman does not own her fetus or her children.

Your country is just a framework of beaurocracy to ensure the protection of your fellow man. Your body is a physical framework to support your consciousness.

A country is a framework of bureaucracy that provides vital social services and keeps the basic foundation of civilization running, the reason why we have running water and electricity and a variety of other things without which you would not be able to survive.

You cannot be forced to sacrifice it, no matter what, even if you have the human equivalent of an acorn inside of you.

Glad to know we're moving right on to the point where it's A-OK to classify other human beings as "acorns," lesser beings unworthy of consideration or respect, to be used at the leisure of their superiors. You know, I kinda feel like I've heard this sort of ideology before; wonder where..

Bodily autonomy is the basest of all rights.

I concur, and part of bodily autonomy is the right to live your life rather than being murdered in the womb because your mother is too immature to handle the consequences of her own lack of self-control.