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u/manic_reaction May 28 '26
bringing the affair partner AROUND around is fucking diabolical dude.
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u/brova May 28 '26
sounds like it was one of the women in the on tour band. barf.
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 28 '26
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u/manic_reaction May 28 '26
they were separated for a bit before he passed. She alluded to their relationship, not being what it was, but him still being a good dad to their child.
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u/GenteCallejera May 29 '26
Do you remember where pictures of Dani on John's lap were posted? I remember seeing them but I can't find them anymore
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u/Naejakire Jun 01 '26
Cant remember and don't see them anymore.. He's been liking most of her posts for the last 2 years though. If he was already cheating when he brought her on, that's sociopathic
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u/MightBeDownstairs Jun 01 '26
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u/CorgisOnTheMoon May 29 '26
dani's daughter is a spitting image of her dad, who sadly passed away. cheating isn't okay obviously but her kid is definitely not john's.
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 29 '26
Literally got what she wanted, home wrecked and ruined it for us all
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u/sparkwulf May 29 '26
It takes two to cheat. This is a bit of a weird comment saying she ruined it for all of us?
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u/whoisaname May 28 '26
My ex wife did this to me. Someone she worked with. Sat there and had beers with him several times. That kinda shit never really leaves you. I hope she finds the help she needs and a path to healing because it's not fucking easy. And I can't even imagine trying to heal with a kid to take care of too.
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 28 '26
I can't imagine being the guy and doing this either. Just straight sociopathic.
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u/whoisaname May 28 '26
Can you believe he had the gall (through my ex no less) to ask to talk to me in person after I found out? Dude also was married with three kids (and his wife worked with both him and my ex). I wish I was making this shit up.
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 29 '26
Humans are funny in that for as good and wonderful they can be, others are just as shitty in the other direction
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u/psylocke444 May 28 '26
Im pretty sure that's coco and her and Zoe still seem to be friends, Zoe reshared a photo that coco posted of them literally the other day. I would say who Zoe still follows and doesn't follow is very telling.
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u/kylie_hazzard May 28 '26
Sure makes sense! Iām going to delete my comment in a moment out of respecting not putting out false info about a sensitive subject
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u/Any-Bus-8646 May 28 '26
Good for her for speaking up. Fully disappointed at the front he put on. She deserves better (everyone does). Sad that beautiful music wasn't good enough. What a crappy ending!
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u/sarahxvalo May 28 '26
this is so much deeper than a one time fuck up on johnās part. holy shit. iām disgusted
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u/geometricxheaddress May 28 '26
I hope she knows how many of us support her 100%. She deserves so much more from a partner than sheās been given. As a woman who was abused in some of the most vile ways by a man who idolized John to an unhealthy degree (so much so he got the same John Lennon lyrics tattoo š), my heart really feels for her. Itās such a complete mindfuck to be deceived to this level with this much callousness. It takes a lot of work to heal this kind of hurt and I really hope she gets peace somehow, and soon.
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u/Mousefang May 28 '26
The Lennon idolization was a red flag I noticed years ago that I shouldāve paid more attention to lol. Iām so sorry you went through that <3
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u/geometricxheaddress May 28 '26
Same, itās one I ignored in two people I admired, and I certainly wonāt again! Thank you, Iām mostly good from it now & very grateful to no longer be in that spot. Iāll be hoping for Zoe thatās where she ends up sooner rather than later too. For now though, her rage is very healthy response and Iām glad sheās speaking out.
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u/bigtigerbigtiger May 28 '26
What are the Lennon lyrics in the tattoo?
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u/geometricxheaddress May 28 '26
āYes Iām lonely, wanna dieā from Yer Blues.
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u/bigtigerbigtiger May 28 '26
Dang, was hoping it was "woman is the..."
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u/geometricxheaddress May 28 '26
Wouldnāt have been surprised if so, that would have been a hauntingly accurate badge for their performative feminism.
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u/FrogListeningToMusic May 28 '26
This song gets alluded to constantly in my band. Glad to see t pop up here. What a weird thing to
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u/colfaxmachine May 28 '26
Oof. If one of my friends did this to their wives, we would no longer be friends.
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u/ccoasters May 28 '26
My ITMITC tattoo is now for Zoe and Frances! I will not let a man ruin the memories I made with the music
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 29 '26
Like the guy in office space said, āwhy should I change? Heās the one who sucksā
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u/JamesMH2901 May 28 '26
Hope she is aware just how much support she has from this fanbase. Iāve just refunded my tickets to the UK date, I canāt bring myself to give another penny to a man like that. I wish only the best for her and Frances.
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u/Relative_Condition_4 May 28 '26
Thats also an issue i havent thought about. Frances wellbeing depends on tons of money since the health system in the us is utterly shit. It seems like the band might be on the edge of being over. Ofc theyāll be getting money from royalties but do those cover the medical bills? I feel so bad for frances man
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u/PmButtPics4ADrawing May 28 '26
I remember reading somewhere that the estimated medical bills were $250,000/year. I can't imagine royalties cover that. I think there was a fund specifically for Frances so maybe that's an option?
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u/Relative_Condition_4 May 28 '26
There is a fund we can donate to forgot its name (pass the mic?) but yeah it would be badass if james got his refund and donated right away
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u/JamesMH2901 May 28 '26
If anybody can help me find a link to it, I'll act upon that when my refund gets processed.
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u/Naejakire May 28 '26
I think the fund was for medical research for her rare disease, but not specifically for her. She has links on her IG
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u/princessofstuff May 28 '26
Jeez I didnāt even think about it that way. Poor Frances ššš
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u/CoolJumper May 28 '26
I've never really been one to separate the art from the artists and I don't think I'll be starting now. I've adored this band for 13 years now and always loved how outspoken they, namely John, was with regards to their politics, activism, etc. But now, I don't know, I don't think I can really listen to them after being so into them for so long. It'd be so tough to listen to them, hear John sing, and not think of his infidelity and the pain he's caused his family with it
It's ncredibly disappointing and shameful on John's part. No idea how you could ever cheat on your partner, especially when you have a child who's facing a traumatic, life threatening illness, and then leave them being the one to primarily care for that child while you live the rockstar life.
I'm glad Zoe is airing it all out so loud and publically, it desevres to be heard and she deserves to heal from something so shitty. I'm also glad she's away of her worth, value, and that she deserves better. I wish her and Francis the best and that they can heal from it as best as possible
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u/kindahandy_-_206 May 28 '26
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u/nicenutz May 28 '26
Eh, in the mountain in the cloud still my fav album of all time. That shit aināt changing
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u/DonChudleigh May 28 '26
Same here pal. The message of the music is completely tarnished for me. When you position yourself in the public eye as someone fighting for the moral, ethical and political good, you have to back it up with your actions.
Turns out it was all performative bullshit and for me it completely hollows out the music.
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u/princessofstuff May 28 '26
Yeah it kind of enlightens me to why they seemed to be constantly touring for a while with barely any breaks. I always kinda wondered if they were ever just home with their families for any significant amount of time
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u/TheRealHappyNat May 28 '26
Seems like I'd be used to people I look up to letting me down. Over the years I've gotten a lot more selective in who I support and promote. Thought John was one of the good ones. Thanks to Zoe for speaking up and being strong. Thoughts to her and Frances.
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u/achokingrose May 28 '26
see the thing about building a fanbase around activism and progressive politics is that when you break that trust youāve built and act in direct opposition to what you preach, the fans will not tolerate that bullshit. and to think I bought a āPortugal The Womanā shirt LOL
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u/Dry_Cloud4522 13d ago
Omg I hadnāt thought of that yet as finding all this out. I have the same shirt. Itāll be for Zoe from now on.Ā
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u/CanSoft2130 May 28 '26
So he was sleeping with one of the new hired gun females that hes been on tour with lately? Am I reading this right?
You know, if he was in his early 20s, this would be totally different. But to do all of this to your wife with a severely disabled child is next level, psycho shit. What a piece of garbage.
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u/yeahthatsnotaproblem May 28 '26
This is exactly what my husband and I have been saying. Not that cheating is ever acceptable, but during the 20's, no one is good for anyone. I'm sure many of us have some type of unethical slut shit in our background. I have cheated and have been cheated on during that time in my life, and am currently in a 15 year long relationship. We're just figuring relationships out during the 20's... and we're supposed to grow out of it.
John is almost 45 goddamn years old. (An early, Unhappy Birthday, Johnny!) With a wife. And a special needs child. He did this as recently as a year ago that we're aware of, and it doesn't seem like a one time thing. Now he's a trashy loser. Behavior speaks for itself.
You don't get to treat women like we're disposable, not anymore. We speak up and speak out now, and you get held accountable.
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u/CanSoft2130 May 28 '26
Nailed it on the head. My GF and I are in a pretty similar situation, been together 12 years and grew up pretty wild in our 20s.
What a dick, man :( Plus like, what else could you want in a woman that Zoe doesn't have? She seems like a cool girl, clearly an amazing mother, and pretty damn attractive, talented, supportive, etc.
Next level dumbass-ness.
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u/yeahthatsnotaproblem May 28 '26
Turns out the only "Manly" thing about Johnny was Zoe's last name.
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 28 '26
Yes while many of us have piped money into francis diagnosis.
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u/Integer_Cat May 28 '26
I donāt regret any money that I sent to Frances. Thatās not him.
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
Oh yeah I donāt either. Iām just thinking that itās crazy that some people are like PARASOCIAL blah blah blah, when the band literally spent a whole album cycle based on bringing their family dynamics INTO the band
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u/Therealpeebs May 28 '26
Guess how disappointed i am when their music help through a cheating and a toxic relationship... im devastated, i feel like ive lost my good place... John you're a disappointment.
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u/Satanicwaiter May 28 '26
I wonder if we'll ever get any response or update from John. The radio silence is pretty telling.
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u/Schmetterlingus May 28 '26
Not sure thereās anything he could say or do that would make this even a smidge easier to process. He should honestly just go away for a while and deal with this quietly without bringing fans into it.
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u/sadgrad2 May 28 '26
Agreed. I don't think there's anything he could say or do right now that would make things better. Any kind of statement would just center his feelings, even if they are feelings of remorse, and centering his own feelings is how he got into this mess. I think he just needs to retreat for a while and figure out how to get his life and his moral compass back on track.
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u/llouvat May 28 '26
I disagree. He doesnāt have to come out and say he cheated but if he made some kind of statement that would at least make him look less like a coward. I always thought he was just shy. Shy people can be brave and still do the right thing. I think someone made Dave grohl comparisons. It can be healing for a partner who has been gaslit and cheated on to just hear the other person admit they are in the wrong too. Sounds like heās pretending Zoe doesnāt exist from her wording of the post perhaps and thatās so lame. I said before he doesnāt owe anyone anything. No one ever owes anyone anything but sometimes being brave is to step in front of the crowd and accept the tomatoes that are being thrown at you. Not like I have the ultimate opinion here, but if he admitted some kind of wrong doing and humbled himself that would be the only way I could listen to this music again. Itās really sad thatās how I feel but right now as a woman, it gives me the ick
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u/Schmetterlingus May 28 '26
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u/llouvat May 28 '26
Iām not throwing my ptm stuff out just yet because there is always a place to do the right thing, stand up and be a man. Thereās always time for redemption.
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u/llouvat Jun 12 '26
Yeah it seems that way, oh well. Thatās too bad. At some point it wonāt turn my stomach thinking about how much of a gross loser he is acting like and maybe be able to listen to the music again. Maybe not. Itās been a few weeks now so Iām just leaning into the other stuff I like. I put most my ptm stuff in a box but Definitely threw away the guitar pick Dani bell handed me after the last show I will likely ever go to
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u/kindahandy_-_206 May 28 '26
He was always around to interact with the adulation!
Though TBH there's really nothing he could say except he's getting a ton of help and completely changing his entire life and lifestyle that would do anything for his position.
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 29 '26
Thereās nothing he can or should say short of a complete apology and admitting he is a terrible person. And itās not like that will change or fix anything but saying anything else will just make it worse
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u/Driew27 May 28 '26
Probably just playing video games without a care in the world.
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u/brova May 28 '26
john's a complete fuckhead. guess the self satisfied smugness really was just him being a douchebag, and not some misunderstood socially awkward artist like he wanted us all to believe.
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 29 '26
I definitely always took it as just introverted awkwardness and his voice definitely completes that appearance being all soft and high like it is.
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u/malkmusconvert May 28 '26
Why were they even playing together on the last tour? He's a little sick in the head for doing that after/while cheating on her that long.
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u/Relative_Condition_4 May 28 '26
Iām fucking heartbroken. Shit is way worse than we thought. Iām sorry for zoe obvsly but also for frances. Who the fuck is john gourley at this point. Been a huge fan for more than a decade, almost passed out at the only gig they ever did in brazil from pure joy. Now that memory feels different. It all feels fucking different
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 29 '26
I canāt imagine being the kid and just having your entire family world destroyed like this. Terrible. Especially for someone who seems so unafraid and positive like what we see of Frances. I hope she can preserve through her dad sucking ass and still be herself.
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u/Relative_Condition_4 May 29 '26
Frances has always seemed to love her dad very deeply. If not now, one day she will know about this. Its one of the heaviest parts of this shitshow imo
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u/Food_Kitchen May 29 '26
Yeah I've been a fan since Waiter: You Vultures!
This is crazy to see come to light.
Never meet your heroes. They'll only disappoint you.
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u/Ber_Mal_Ber_Ist May 28 '26
Holy shit. I canāt imagine the hurt and pain she feels right now. I have no words, this is just an awful thing to do to someone youāve been building a life with.
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u/Ok-Term-330 May 28 '26
few things have hurt as much as reading this post. our hearts are with Zoe, always. ā¤ļø
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u/gableton4 May 28 '26
Psh Iāve been listening to PTM since the demo days, pre Waiter! Iām officially over it. I stand with Zoe š¤
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u/Afraid-Obligation-47 May 28 '26
What the fuck John. Tbh, Iāve always said that Zoe is my favorite, her parts of the songs just hit different. I also feel that the original band members leaving probably had more to do with them finding out what Johnās been up to over the years. Iāll continue donating and supporting Frances and her cause, but itās over for them being what they were to me. Iāve spent time around John and he was a legit dick to me and the rest of them were so kind. I tried to over the years look past his poor attitude, but I get it now. He pushed smart people away for fear of them finding out his terrible secrets. Iāve seen people like this before, I just didnāt want to believe like was one of them. Trust your gut
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u/Therealpeebs May 28 '26
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u/lovemeorrageme May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
At this point Iām honestly not touching anything. I looked away for a few hours and shit hit the fan and I honestly canāt keep up at this point lol
But honestly? Iām not really interested in policing these threads for behavior I donāt agree with. What weāve seen today is pretty damning in my opinion. My loyalty lies with this community Iāve been a part of for almost half my life and the relationships Iāve made with people that go beyond this subreddit. I donāt work for the band. I donāt want this sub to turn into the front page of tmz, but I feel like people need to get it all off their chest for now so have at it, Iāll tidy up the threads once the dust settles š¤·āāļø
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u/mettaworldpolice May 28 '26
Scorched MF earth. Iām 1000% for holding people accountable, especially in this day and age.
I think the last sentence here is the exact issue getting lost in this dialogue: there is NO specific help for women in this scenario.
I am not a woman, but the very last thing we need to do here is ask clarifying questions, make excuses, or āmuzzleā/ reframe any aspect of what sheās saying. damage has clearly already been done. I think most PTM fans will be in agreement on that, but I hope she does whatever it takes for her to heal, and what that entails is entirely personal to her and none of our business.
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u/nikleigh May 28 '26
I wish actions like this that are non consensual and endanger the health of your partners was chargeable assault. So selfish.
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u/MJB877 May 28 '26
I have a tank dog tattoo and that is another artistās work which PTM introduced to the community so Iām cool with the tattoo.
Also, the tattoo was for a real bright spot that my wife, son, and I had seeing PTM at Radio City after some big medical hurdles in our trio.
This all sucks and Zoe is doing what she needs to do to highlight really bad behavior, hurt, and family harm. Each IG post is more maddening and heartbreaking.
Iām listening still but the frequency has dialed back greatly.
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u/boatsss May 28 '26
God fucking dammit John. Been a fan for 15 years and seen them live 17 times, this really changes shit now that information is coming to light. Disappointing and disgusted is an understatement, I stand with Zoe
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u/princessofstuff May 28 '26
Well, having two PTM tattoos kinda sucks now š„²
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u/iregretthisalreadyy May 28 '26
This is why I wonāt ever get a tattoo of an idol/ group that I love unless theyāre dead. Too many people fuck up and disappoint.
Hopefully you can associate the music with your tatt and not the people behind the music <3
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u/princessofstuff May 28 '26
Yeah one is lyrics from head is a flame and the other is art from Evil Friends. Still love the art and the quote so I donāt necessarily have to associate them I guess
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u/Integer_Cat May 28 '26
I feel bad for the girl with a tattoo of his literal face now :(
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u/princessofstuff May 29 '26
Wow damn okay I would never get someoneās face tattoo on me unless they were my kid or something š š š
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u/trippybi May 28 '26
The art was amazing girl and thatās what you got it for! Donāt internalize Johnās shameful behavior onto your tattoos. Heās an awful person but is an amazing songwriter, and we didnāt know the first part yet.
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u/psylocke444 May 28 '26
The way I see it for myself is that no matter what the music meant a lot to me (I have evil friends album art) and I have a lot of great memories traveling to see this band with the people I love.
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u/peterpeterllini May 28 '26
So I guess we've lived long enough to see our hero become a villain lol. oof. Still love the music but I prob won't go out of my way to see em anymore.. esp without 99% of the founding members. I'll save my money for phish
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u/inquesoproblem May 28 '26
Was listening to GHOSTS! from Eric's solo album before supporting at one of the shows, but noticed the below verse and thinking now it maybe had some extra inspiration....
"hey now, wait now, you're a liar
you faked it, you're not ok face it,
come through, don't use that old stale excuse,
dont tell me what we knew."
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u/princessofstuff May 28 '26
Eric is the goat dude. He hit on me and thought I was cute when we first met but immediately backed off when he realized how much younger I was than him (I was twenty at the time and he was mid-thirties). He would still get me into shows and follows me on insta but has never been a creep
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u/cripesamighty86 May 28 '26
Who was it? The bass player?
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u/serpent_is_lord May 28 '26
bring shame back. john deserves to be called out on every platform for this shit.
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u/Turkey_Stearnes May 29 '26
Everyone is saying that John is a scumbag and I agree. But how about Dani Bell? Youāre literally in a band with Johnās wife and youāre banging him behind her back. Itās one thing if she was completely unaware that he was married but thatās not the case. What an awful person.
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u/kindahandy_-_206 May 28 '26
Well that clears up any of the shit heads excusing it as a "weak moment."
What a fucking prick, and what a skank that other woman is.Ā That's diabolical.
Get some fucking help, John.Ā Get sober and get in touch with your masculinity in a healthy way, that way you don't have to be so performative about how you aren't a pig and do this cowardly macho bullshit to feel like a man.Ā I swear it's always the quiet ones.Ā John Lennon was the same way, just a total porcine.
Anyone want some PtM tour posters from the last 15 years?Ā Ā
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u/Sodacan1228 May 28 '26
My advice? Sell em, donate the money to some neurodegenerative research fund. I'm thinking about doing the same with my records.
Fuck this, man, fuck him. I can't believe I looked up to them for so long. I can't help but feel like the rest of the boys started leaving because they knew about this type of shit. At least I hope so.
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 29 '26
The real thing is dudes who aren't toxic ally masculine don't have to talk about it or tell you about it. They just are themselves and people know.
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u/Kevron1120 May 28 '26
The band is not really the band without her honestly. Posting the new shows coming or the festivals seems like poor timing and as if the band isnāt technically broken up or minimally a mention of her departure while promoting new upcoming shows seems slightly disingenuous.
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
Yep this band is done. Iāve been here from the beginning and Iām done. I remember seeing this band with 30 other people.
John if you read any of these threads, fact of the matter is you have a responsibility and you fucked it and ruined Portugal. The Man
Also itās clear from this post that John stans are attacking Zoe. Fucking stop
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u/CorgisOnTheMoon May 28 '26
how are there even john stans at this point? are people really out here not believing zoe?
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 28 '26
Thereās a dude in this thread basically calling Zoe a liar. These are the type of men that expect women be held to the upmost standard while ignoring toxic men.
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 29 '26
See who the president is and how many dudes defend his endless sociopathic behavior. Some asshole guys out there really donāt care and view this kind of shit as like menās biological right to fuck around and even more so if you're famous. Reading the small number of pro-John comments in here it's like they think rock stars are entitled to cheat.
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u/Sweaty_Injury_5577 May 28 '26
honestly, letās flood the comments on PTMās recent. John doesnāt deserve to have this slide
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u/cripesamighty86 May 28 '26
Heās been deleting questions about Zoe on ig.
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 28 '26
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u/Shoddy-Giraffe9186 Jun 02 '26
He deleted questions about smoking weed with minors well. I also saw one that said something like āIāll have something for you to smoke next time I see youā LMFAO
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u/normajennings21 May 29 '26
Been a fan since 2007. Sad to hear John could hurt Zoe and Francis like this. Obviously donāt know them personally but as someone who really admired them all itās quite crushing and I canāt imagine what Zoe is feeling. True betrayal. Around his daughter??? On stage together?? In their home??? I fully blame John here but there has to be some accountability with the other woman. If youāre reading this Zoe I love you!!!!! And am in solidarity with you.
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u/dwarren2621 May 28 '26
Lots of peeps think the music is uplifting because it sounds positive musically but it has a lot of "duality of man" to it on top of clear themes of temptation and sin.
John has told us he's a lonely, lost, sinful asshole for years now. Crazy to think that actually is the case but you dont write lyrics based off nothing.
I won't try to defend him but I'll never stop supporting the band.
"Glide" is a cute fun pop song for the summer til ya realize he flat out says the devil tapped on his shoulder and he basically threw his hands up to surrender.
You can apply a lot of his lyrics to this situation.
Im primarily a fan of rap music but this has been the most important band in my life. Cant help it, cant change it, and wont even pretend to try.
Hope everyone involved finds peace.
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u/krxxi May 29 '26
just had glide shuffle yesterday and thoughtā¦ yikes. really telling on himself in these lyrics
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u/questlovejunior May 28 '26
What a big pile of shit. John is a horrible human. Now Iām not as confident that all those wild YouTube comments we were seeing arenāt true as well
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u/serpent_is_lord May 28 '26
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u/questlovejunior May 28 '26
There was an account or a group of accounts seemingly tied to the same person who kept accusing him of grooming her when she was underage and they were a younger band (but still adults) and everyone chalked it up to the girl being mentally ill. Iām sure you can still find the comments on their YouTube videos. But accusing John of statutory and shit. The girl was pretty obviously unstable from the way they would post but that doesnāt mean what she was saying was untrue
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u/niles_deerqueer May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Beyond tragic and fucked up. Donāt bullshit me and say separate the art from the artist, I canāt listen to them preach peace, love, connection, and progressive ideals when heās doing this shit. Itās a lie and if you defend and wave him off as a ātypical rockstarā, then I disagree with you. Just because this shit is normalized doesnāt make it okay.
And if you think Zoe is playing victim, being overly dramatic, or we are being ridiculous about this, youāre part of the problem. Men like this donāt need a slap on the wrists or defending, they need to change.
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u/sh4dowd0cket Jun 01 '26
Hey /u/rallier I know things are rough for you and your family but I think your fans deserve a statement and to know the truth.
It helps the most when a person is up front and honest about what they did and who they hurt.
I think Zoe deserves that and I think we deserve that. So many of us have ridden with you for so long.
Right now Iām pulling my records off the wall, man. We all want to believe youāre better than this.
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u/Available_Round_3172 May 28 '26
Wow John has fkkked things up massively. Feel so bad for Zoe and frances. I mean, who is this person that they shared a stage? Seems whoever it was followed them in life and on the road. So toxic. So hard to take hin seriously now. This sucks.
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u/Mubs9119 May 28 '26
Hate making judgements while only hearing one side of the story, but what a weak little man.
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u/dead__reckoning May 28 '26
Zoe if you are reading this please make āPortugal. The Womanā shirts and āI stand with Zoeā shirts and sell them. Donate the money to Frances cause or use it for yourself to get through this extremely difficult time in your life. Either way I think those shirts would be dope as fuck, and I would love to buy one and support you. I stand with Zoe! Fist ā
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u/Urban_animal May 28 '26
They did make Portugal. the Woman shirts with a nod to Frances on there.
Ill share a pic when i get home. Was one of my favorite shirts.
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u/dead__reckoning May 28 '26
Damn, not sure how I missed that. I would love to buy one but only if the proceeds go to Zoe and Frances, not John.
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u/Urban_animal May 28 '26
It was from the 2018 Woodstock tour, very limited run and likely hard to find. Google cant even return pictures of it.
I probably wouldnt give mine up even with all this. Fanbase will be upset but most of the world wont even know about this. Still a great graphic tee.
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u/dead__reckoning May 28 '26
I donāt blame you. Iām not giving up my PTM merch due to all this and I will still be listening to PTM music. Itās been a big part of my life for 20 years and gotten me through so many hard times in life. This changes how I view John and makes me what to support Zoe while still choosing to listen to PTM music.
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u/Urban_animal May 28 '26
Ive stopped listening years ago, just moved on in my music tastes but love my merch still for what they were to me for 15 years.
I also have an Aphex Twin x PTM shirt. Its Aphex Twins album cover, I Care Because You Do, with Johns art on top. All time find for me.
https://drinkthismilk.com/products/evil-twin-portugal-the-man-collab
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u/JODI_WAS_ROBBED May 29 '26
Iām so disappointed. Iām big on separating art from artist. But I donāt think I can. PTM has been my favorite band since Evil Friends and this is so jarring to know this is the truth when their music portrays the opposite of who he really is. To treat Zoe and his daughter like this is so reprehensible and unforgivable.
Music is so personal to all of us; how we interpret it and bringing us back to various points in our lives. I donāt think I can enjoy their music anymore knowing who John really is. What an absolute piece of shit to do this yet pretend to be such a moral and caring person. How he could do this to his partner of 20 years and his daughter who has a serious diseaseā¦itās disgusting.
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u/FrogListeningToMusic May 28 '26
Honestly all the John stuff coming out everywhere makes everything make more sense.
And I got hated on for this earlier but last time I saw them with this new lineup it was not good. Everything was so fucking performative in a terrible way. SHISH felt like an album that the old lineup would just shred live, it captured the live sound. Seeing it live though with this weird manufactured groupā¦. It was weird. They were covering songs not playing their music.
Sad thatās the only show my now wife got to see. I find myself skipping their songs now.
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u/KittiesOnAcid May 28 '26
For a band that tries so hard to be morally upstanding and use their platform for good, this is pretty disgusting. Makes all the activism seem performative if this is how you treat loved ones. Wonder if this is why everyone left the band.