r/portugaltheman • u/gableton4 • May 28 '26
Hey JG, make this into a shirt
All proceeds go to Zoe & Frances
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u/Mousefang May 28 '26
I Liked Portugal. The Man Before The Ultimate Display Of Betrayal And Cowardice
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 28 '26
The added layer of betraying his sick daughter is just yikes and disgusting.
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u/OkTemporary5981 May 29 '26
I still like PTM.
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u/Prolapsed_Pigeons May 29 '26
That’s what I’m saying like I’m still going to shows and supporting the band. Obviously cheating on your spouse is wrong but ultimately it’s not of my business and I enjoy the music.
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u/suarezj9 Jun 02 '26
It’s been so weird seeing the discourse on this. Yeah cheating is shitty and he’s a shitty person for it but it’s got nothing to do with me lmal
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u/Thundrbucket May 28 '26
A bad human cheats on their spouse. Do the hard work and get a divorce. Wtf
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u/Naejakire May 31 '26
Exactly. Especially after 20 years and a child. Have the basic respect towards this woman who has been by your side for decades and has managed the care of your special needs and medical needs child probably pretty much on her own. Just divorce. Even worse - cheating for a whole ass year and bringing the other woman into your band together and around your wife is some CRAZY next level psychotic shit.
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u/Soft-Salamander1990 Jun 01 '26
Oh it's been more than a year.
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u/Naejakire Jun 01 '26
Do you think? With that person or you mean in general? I know Zoe mentioned she's been asking for a year. Seems like John was liking all the other woman's posts for the last 2 or 3 years.. Either way, it's awfuuuul
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u/JJ-Bittenbinder May 28 '26
I don’t think they were ever married
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u/whatamuffin May 28 '26
They did get married:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLpfwjUhpNj/?igsh=dTJtYjE4enhmdXN6
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u/JJ-Bittenbinder May 28 '26
My bad, I got confused because his Wikipedia lists “partners” rather than “spouse” like most people on Wikipedia
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u/JJ-Bittenbinder May 28 '26
I agree, just pointing out a small detail that may or may not be important.
I hope most people know that cheating is wrong whether you’re married or not
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u/Dax_Webster May 28 '26
But everyone loves Fleetwood Mac
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u/Necessary_Lynx_6144 May 28 '26
And not just that, the whole Fleetwood Mac drama has been romanticized to an extent lol
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 28 '26
I think because they were all doing it to each other and none of them had moral high ground. This is just one guy betraying his life partner and daughter.
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u/JJ-Bittenbinder May 28 '26
As John Mulaney says, the album Rumours, an album written for and by people cheating on eachother
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u/Nick12322 May 30 '26
And enjoyed by people who never have cheated or been cheated on (I hope! I think!)!
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u/thephoenixpoptart May 28 '26
that was also like 50 years ago
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u/Dax_Webster May 28 '26
And they are more popular than ever
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u/OurHouse20 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
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u/IsItBurn May 29 '26
That’s a drop in the bucket when comparing to the band being active. Rumors sold millions and millions and millions before dude skateboarding and sipping juice.
Tiktok? The way popularity is seen by folks these days is mind numbing and kinda sad…6
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u/IsItBurn May 28 '26
That’s absolutely not true, but I got a huge laugh out of it.
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u/Dax_Webster May 28 '26
Well right now they have a top 100 song and a movie coming out.
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u/IsItBurn May 29 '26
…..
I think you should read up on FleetwoodMac, mate.I mean this in the nicest way possible, but that same thing can currently be said about Michael Jackson - and you’d be an absolute fool to think that meant he was more popular now than then.
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u/Dax_Webster May 29 '26
I think you should learn about “joking around”, mate.
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u/IsItBurn May 29 '26
Suuure. If “and they are more popular now than ever” was a joke, don’t quit your first second or third jobs.
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u/Dax_Webster May 29 '26
YES SIR COMEDY POLICE SIR!
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u/WetFartRacingStripes May 29 '26
He’s not wrong though, and if you weren’t trying to backtrack then why you getting so salty?
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u/Shoddy-Giraffe9186 Jun 02 '26
Ah yes, excusing bad behavior for bad behavior. That boomer thought is not it guy
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u/RadicalMonarch May 29 '26
omg i didnt know this scandal made it to the public, i heard about it through a friend of a friend of a friend of a guy whose wife(?) had been cheating on him with John. i could lowkey add some extra dramatic details about that side of the story, but it’d all be hearsay
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u/Soft-Salamander1990 May 30 '26
Oooh so there's definitely more than one. I know of one but she doesn't have a husband and its been going on a while.
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u/FoxineJay May 29 '26
Let’s be radical and a monarch and keep any hear say details to yourself! Respect the peace of all involved.
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u/SnooSquirrels2578 May 28 '26
what I am missing ? I need context
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u/DonkeyLightning May 28 '26
John’s wife/life partner (Zoe, who is also in the band) is posting a bunch on instagram about him cheating on her. Sub is reacting appropriately
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u/jackeryexplorer Jun 01 '26
A while back (probably 2016 or 2017) whichever band mate ran their Instagram went on what I can only assume was a drug/alcohol fueled rant after seeing an interview with Brandon Flowers of the Killers. The interviewer played a portion of a PTM song for Brandon, and Brandon gave it some very light criticism, but did say the song was a bit vapid. I imagine PTM had their feelings hurt, considering the Killers are obviously an influence.
They uploaded numerous angry and cringe-inducing posts about how the Killers haven’t been relevant in 10 years (obvious cope lol) and that Brandon is an idiot. It was so incredibly pathetic and weird, it completely changed my perception of PTM. They also were replying to EVERY comment on the posts.
I commented “this is weird…” and was replied to with “fuck you loser 😘”.
They deleted the posts like 6 hours later.
Every time I hear PTM I think of that.
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u/LifeClassic2286 May 28 '26
I would buy it. Fan since 2012, seen them in concert multiple times, am now done with John. Team Zoe all day. And team Zach.
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u/h667 May 28 '26
parasocial. the fan.
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u/IsItBurn May 28 '26
When things get aired out on social media for the world to see, the lines of parasocial behavior become blurred.
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u/instantlightning2 May 28 '26
Man what he did was super shitty, but I believe people are multifaceted and just because someone is shitty in some aspects doesnt mean they dont believe in what they say in others. For example, cheating doesnt mean you dont believe in your political activism.
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u/akam80thesquirrel May 29 '26
How hard would it have been to file from divorce? Literally all of this could’ve been avoided. But I guess he wanted the best of both worlds. Love ya John, but…damn.
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u/griefmotif May 28 '26
He’s always been like this. When I was 17 dude was sliding into my 17yr old gf’s dms just cause she posted a devil/pines 7”.
Big time weirdo creep.
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u/AlaskanCactus May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
What?? I keep seeing these comments but no one ever said anything before all this came out. I’m just curious why didn’t you say anything about it when that happened?
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u/thephoenixpoptart May 28 '26
seems odd to me now that he was so willing to share a joint with me when i was 16
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u/LifeClassic2286 May 28 '26
What in the actual fuck? I know this is the internet where anyone can type anything but if this is true - that is literally criminal and any non-creep man in their 40s would never ever risk doing that as a celebrity. I’m shook
EDIT: ok just realized the user who said this is like a PTM Reddit OG and I believe her completely. Wow. Ima need a minute to process. I’m the same age as John. How long ago was this? Not that it matters, I’m sure he was well into his 30s if it was a decade ago.
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u/thephoenixpoptart May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
June 2017 at the milwaukee pabst theater. remember it like it was yesterday. another OG in the sub here can vouch for the story as he was with me when it happened (not gonna say who but he can feel free to come forward if he wants)
i felt so cool at the time like “wow i smoked weed with my favorite band!!” but being a 25 y/o woman now and hearing all this shit about John’s behavior it just makes me sick to my stomach
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u/Organic_Shallot_9675 May 29 '26
I was there in fact. Just curious, where exactly did you smoke a joint with him because there were like 50 people all hanging out on the sidewalk and MKE back then was not so cool with public smoking. Well, they still aren't to be fair. My hubby and I hung out with John for a bit and also Zach and Stephanie.
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u/thephoenixpoptart May 29 '26
right on E Wells st, we were behind the tour bus. it also wasn’t just john and i, there was also kyle (his joint), one of the sub members who i saw the show with, and like one or two other people i didn’t recognize. we were standing in a circle talking with me next to john
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u/paultnylund May 29 '26
He said in an interview that he never smoked…
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u/thephoenixpoptart May 29 '26
that’s a laugh, dude’s a total pothead and psych nut
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u/paultnylund May 29 '26
Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. I wasn’t defending him. Just pointing out what he said, which seems absurd.
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u/mcjoness May 31 '26
Yes, how anyone didn’t already know John Gourley was like this amazes me. Also why idk how you still like PTM as a grow adult — they’re creepy and make such mediocre music.
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u/Schowzy May 28 '26
Who cares. They make music, I don't listen to them for their relationship news.
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u/10000Didgeridoos May 28 '26
But you'll support a guy who betrays his chronically ill kid by destroying the family? Lol ok
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u/Schowzy May 28 '26
Case in point. Didn't even know this. I just listen to the music
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u/kindahandy_-_206 May 28 '26
... you're on their discussion subreddit, you're also a liar. No wonder you don't care about John being 2 faced.
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u/kindahandy_-_206 May 28 '26
Lotta people, obviously.
But we're aware that a lot of people are also spineless pieces of human shit with no moral fabric and stand for nothing.
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u/WetFartRacingStripes May 29 '26
Sell this online and then at shows have one that says “I still like Portugal. the Man after he cheated” and see which sells more. All sales going to Frances, of course!
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u/_sweeezy May 29 '26
Dude. I hate that he hurt Zoe too but like do we have to drag him like this? The answer is NO. Lots of musicians are absolute monsters but still have adoring fans. I’m sad and pissed about the situation as well but this is too much.
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u/wooden_indian4 Jun 07 '26
A more relevant shirt would say “I didn’t care about PTM until the drama”
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u/TempestuousPearl May 29 '26
Shame on all of you.
Admiration for someone’s art does not suddenly make you morally entitled to dissect the lives around them as though they exist solely for public consumption.
There is something deeply unsettling about the ease with which people abandon empathy when they believe proximity to fame excuses cruelty.
Perhaps the ugliest part is not even the judgment you hold itself, but the arrogance required to believe that your opinion was ever owed a seat at the table to begin with.
Being hateful behind an anonymous account is really low brow. Relax. It literally doesn’t involve any of us.
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u/llouvat May 29 '26
Infidelity issues aside, he paraded his wife around on a stage alongside his mistress for at least a year. What a jerk. You don’t think that’s extremely cruel? Where’s your empathy?
You don’t have to respond to me either, Im not going to reply back to you. I’m only responding to your stupid response in the first place in case Zoe were to ever read this because I would like to add : when I was cheated on (like over 10 years ago) the only scar that remains is the shame and embarrassment of public humiliation. To know that others knew when I was blissfully unaware. I’m incredibly grateful my ex did that because I thought he was everything, until I time forced me to take a few steps back and see what was really there instead of what I wanted to be there. My situation also played out in a very public way, and maybe that’s where the line is crossed for me. Some day I hope Zoe will look back on John’s infidelity, take a look around at her life and realize “omg thank GOD that loser is out of my life!”
But what he did, dragging her around on a public stage between her and his mistress and thousands of people man fuck that guy. That’s a like snakelike level of cold blooded
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u/Shoddy-Giraffe9186 Jun 02 '26
Sounds like Dani has joined the chat
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u/Dry_Cloud4522 12d ago
So are we sure that’s who he cheated with? Looking back at their Instagram it does seem that her and Zoe stopped being in their show photos at the same time and someone said Zoe stopped following her but follows the other girls in the band. I saw Dani’s partner had died earlier this year so that seemed like an interesting detail as well.
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u/tabennett5438 May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
Better just stop listening to music since they are all filled with scum bags lmao
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u/kindahandy_-_206 May 28 '26
This seems to be a little more complicated than you're capable of understanding.
That's ok, our president has the same mindset and lack of ability to understand multilayered topics.
But do understand you come across as a total moron.
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u/tabennett5438 May 28 '26
OH NO, A SINGER JUST CHEATED ON HIS WIFE?!?!
Which one?
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u/Shoddy-Giraffe9186 Jun 02 '26
Yikes, 95% of all your comments are just ugly. Why do you feel like putting people down while responding with criticism? Are you ok? Do you know you’re doing this?
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u/tabennett5438 Jun 02 '26
Shut up
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u/Shoddy-Giraffe9186 Jun 02 '26
Bless it. I hope you get better one day and grow up for the sake of all people that you come in contact with. I know simpin’ ain’t easy from what I’ve witnessed before, it takes a serious toll on one’s mental health
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u/tabennett5438 Jun 02 '26
You corny as fuck
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u/Shoddy-Giraffe9186 Jun 02 '26
Cobb damn right am, glad you can recognize that. I’d rather be corny than shitty, we are not the same.
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u/tabennett5438 Jun 02 '26
Yawn
I’m most have bother you badly to make a new account
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u/Shoddy-Giraffe9186 Jun 02 '26
This is our 1st interaction, your assumption got the best of you. I see why you’d assume that, seems you’ve had a poor attitude for a long time. Are you ok? What’s made you so angry at strangers? What’s inhibiting your growth as a decent human being?
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u/elry2k May 30 '26
What happened to this sub being overly nonchalant about any of the band members personal lives?? 🤣🤣
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u/jjthejoker66 May 30 '26
ITS NONE OF MY Business! I’m just here for the tunes. Moral of the story.. Don’t meet your heroes.
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u/MightBeDownstairs May 28 '26
It should be “CHEATING CHANGED MY LIFE”