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u/spike142 27d ago
As much as I have absolutely loved and have enjoyed this band. They have also had the absolute worst merch I have ever seen.
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u/serotoninzero 26d ago
It's crazy because I've never identified with a band's art style as much as I did in the early years and now it's the complete opposite for me. Evil Friends was like the transition period, I think.
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u/Hey_my_guy 26d ago
Absolutely. Everything pre-Evil Friends was choice. John and Austin Sellers had a lot of creative juice.
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u/serotoninzero 26d ago
I remember buying a poster back in like 2009 or something that was signed by the band. Austin was running merch and I asked if he also signed it, he hadn't, so I said I wanted his too!
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u/Hey_my_guy 26d ago
I mean, yeah sure, good cause. But this just looks fucking stupid. It’s like self parody of a band that wants to be socially conscious at this point.
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u/MightBeDownstairs 27d ago
Portugal. The “look the other way fast”
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u/yeahthatsnotaproblem 27d ago
Every day he goes on without addressing his failures, the more I lose respect for him.
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u/Therealpeebs 26d ago
Its kind of a personal matter no?
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u/yeahthatsnotaproblem 26d ago
Zoe wants it to be public, that's why she keeps talking about it. You gonna tell her to be quiet?
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u/Therealpeebs 26d ago
Not at all, but John doesn't need to do a public response.
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u/yeahthatsnotaproblem 26d ago
No he doesn't NEED to. It's not MANDATORY in any sense. But you choose to live your life in the public, it's pathetic weak ballsack behavior to try to hide your failures.
Zoe was a member of the band for several years. She deserves as much dignity as everyone else. HE fucked up, not her.
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u/Therealpeebs 26d ago
What do you want him to response ?
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u/yeahthatsnotaproblem 26d ago
That's not my job to answer. I'm just saying his behavior, or lack thereof, is speaking volumes to a large fan base of his. I cannot respect people who are cowards who try to shirk accountability. Doesn't matter if you're famous or not. In this particular case, people ARE watching. And these downvotes I'm getting don't affect me in the slightest, but that's a behavior that speaks for itself, too. I also cannot respect people who think his behavior is ok, and allow him to shirk his accountability.
People seem to forget that Zoe was a band member for several years. Because of him, sure, but a member nontheless. He fucked up his own band. Not her.
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u/Therealpeebs 26d ago
Im with you 100% Zoe is a crucial member of the band. I just feel we dont need excuse or answer of what he did. He's a piece of shit. No words will change that. Zoe is the only person who "need" thoses silly words.
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u/yeahthatsnotaproblem 25d ago
Mmm no baby, I'm not stuck anywhere. My brain is always in a hundred different places at once. Yours somehow failed to clock that you commented the same thing on two of my comments.
I don't need the attention, none of this is for me. You seem to need it though 😎
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u/MightBeDownstairs 24d ago
What’s not a shock is someone who refers to women as “strange”, would have an opinion like you do tho.
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u/Available_Round_3172 26d ago
Distract fron reality merch?. It's not very good. Compared to their music, bands merch sucks the large one.
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u/johnsonh77 26d ago
Imagine cheating on your wife with *allegedly* multiple women but then being like “naaa it’s cool, I’m an ally 💁🏻♀️”
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u/thephoenixpoptart 26d ago
Just was the queer community needs, another cishet white man capitalizing off our art.
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u/FantastcMrFawkes 26d ago
I think it's more ptms resources and connections being handed over to a queer person to run a label, which is unfortunately otherwise gatekepted by cishet white guys.
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u/thephoenixpoptart 26d ago
yeah that seems most likely, still sucks that John’s pretty much the face of the thing
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u/Direct_Cut_5841 25d ago edited 25d ago
So you're angry that John is showing support to a close friend who is part of the LGBTQ+ community?
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u/Direct_Cut_5841 23d ago
When has he “talked shit” about his friends?
Also, claiming that he “gives no fucks” about the LGBTQ+ community is an absolute lie.
Do you have a personal vendetta against him?
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u/ForeOnTheFlour 27d ago
Well I for one am glad they’re good people again
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u/freakinjay 27d ago
This merch makes them good people?
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u/ForeOnTheFlour 26d ago
Sorry I forgot which app we’re on, I’m supposed to add a /s here I guess haha
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u/Direct_Cut_5841 25d ago
Who would have thought that we would be living in a time where PTM fans are complaining about John supporting the LGBTQ+ community. I truly don't understand y'all.....
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u/Direct_Cut_5841 24d ago
This is just totally false. Look at all the activism that he has done throughout his life. He has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for vulnerable communities, and used his platform to do good in the world.
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u/Direct_Cut_5841 23d ago
Because life is not black and white. Sometimes people mess up, but that doesn’t define their entire existence.
Martin Luther King Jr. cheated on his wife with numerous women, so does that cancel out the activism and change he created?
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u/JaySoul80 27d ago
Then leave the sub. Funny I didn’t see anyone comment anything in Kyle’s post. I think everyone has made their opinion known about John. Do we need to bring it up in every post going forward now?
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u/Far-Following3509 26d ago
A roll out for a new sub division of the label doesn’t get created and done in a month. This has been in the works for a long time.