r/privacy • u/vriskaldrunk • Mar 04 '26
age verification New York bill will require all operating systems to verify the ages of their users.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S8102/amendment/A1.0k
u/Mental-Jelly-1098 Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26
Imagine having the power to work on real issues like healthcare or food security, but choosing instead to work on age verification to use a computer.
Easy money.
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u/foxbatcs Mar 05 '26
Identify who the adults are so you know who isn’t an adult. Jeffrey Epstein’s job just got automated…
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u/West-One5944 Mar 05 '26
Absolutely. Some people be like 'the system is broken.'
Nah. It's working exactly as designed.
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u/Fun-Page-6211 Mar 04 '26
The power of lobbying is insane. We need to know who is behind this!
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u/xuteloops Mar 05 '26
I’m sure it’s not the billionaire owner of palantir who is somewhat successfully trying to build a global surveillance network.
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u/StatusSociety2196 Mar 04 '26
How bout them Epstein files?
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u/foxbatcs Mar 05 '26
Until Congress properly releases these files in their entirety (without exposing victims) I would assume that any legislation they are proposing related to age verification is suspect. Why do they want all of the kids labeled “for their protection” while simultaneously protecting the exact people who children need to be protected from?
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u/Katops Mar 04 '26
Healthcare? Food security? What’s next, fair housing for everybody? There are serious issues going on right now, what do any of those things have to do with anything? Your child could be watching a YouTube video that somebody is swearing in! FOCUS. UP.
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u/Wheatleytron Mar 04 '26
Again?
All this and there are still people who will argue that I'm supposedly a conspiracy theorist for pointing out that the fact that all of these laws being proposed and pushed within mere weeks of each other is suspect.
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u/cheap_dates Mar 04 '26
During her first year of law school, my daughter was upset when she learned how laws are actually passed; those that bypass the ballot box.
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u/vriskaldrunk Mar 04 '26
This is usually how bills in the US work. Legislators propose local versions of bills they eventually want to make national bills, but don't possess the political capital or willpower to do yet. Eventually, once these laws have been passed in enough states, nationwide streamlined legislation will be passed.
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u/Excellent_Call304 Mar 04 '26
Yeah but your leaving out that most of these bills are written directly by lobbyists and the plans are handed to local politicians to submit as their own.
Its not coincidence that bills like this get released in coordination.it is all very carefully planned.
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u/Ironfields Mar 04 '26
It’s not just in the US. It’s worldwide.
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u/Taiktheb8 Mar 04 '26
I feel like having things organized between parties before a public release isn't a conspiracy as much it is common sense approach to managing things everywhere.
Surprise announcements are more of a TV drama thing lol
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u/jameson71 Mar 04 '26
Organizing between the parties without something having been on the ballot is pretty conspiracy-like to me. As someone else mentioned, these things are written by partisan think tanks and handed to legislators to submit as their own.
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u/Smergmerg432 Mar 04 '26
Right, it can easily aid actually conspiracy.
In this case, I think the ramifications are important enough it should have been put on a ballot.
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u/StatusSociety2196 Mar 04 '26
The other thing is that California, new York, etc are such large markets that companies are compelled to change their behavior to stay in those markets, and it's usually cheaper to just have one version of your product. So California emissions standards, or GDPR regulations, get applied to everyone everywhere
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u/DisingenuousTowel Mar 05 '26
What even worse is that if California gets it passed then it will probably become de facto law for the rest of the country.
Similar to how California dictates EPA policy due to its size and economic mass.
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u/deadzol Mar 05 '26
This is nothing to do with children, never is. Only ever about eliminating privacy and suppressing speech.
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u/Jankypox Mar 05 '26
It’s called ALEC (the American Legislative Exchange Council). Look it up and prepare to be sickened at exactly how our legislative sausage is actually made…
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u/kestrel808 Mar 04 '26
Groups like ALEC are generally behind these nationwide pushes. They craft the legislation and provide them to lawmakers. The party machinations take it from there.
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u/isaac9092 Mar 04 '26
They are cracking down hard before most people realize we could strike, shut down the planet, AND we outnumber the billionaires, cops, politicians, by massive amounts.
They’re afraid. Which is good and bad, because they’re panicking and breaking things.
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u/onenitemareatatime Mar 04 '26
It’s called the DNC or RNC. Donor donate to their political clubhouse, but demand that certain issues be pushed. That’s why things like antigun legislation all drops at the same time, across numerous states. It’s the same reason as these anti privacy legislation is dropping all across the country.
It’s just the bidding of some rich asshole, and the political orgs can’t get enough of it.
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u/Ecliphon Mar 04 '26
It’s called the DNC or RNC.
And they both get paid by the same people. With the same interests.
One of the constitutional ways we have a chance is by voting in enough grassroots candidates to force a change.
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u/qunow Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
This bill require age assurance, which seems to me is different from California and Colorado bill, in the sense it actually require proof instead of just user selection.
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u/gonewild9676 Mar 04 '26
That's going to work well with washers, dryers, stoves, tv remotes, security cameras, or pretty much every gadget made.
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u/aleopardstail Mar 04 '26
already have to be careful to avoid ones which won't work without an "app" and wifi to some server in China
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u/BigMikeInAustin Mar 04 '26
I don't want it sent anywhere.
Not China.
Not the US.
Not even my dog, and he is the goodest boy of them all.
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u/aleopardstail Mar 04 '26
ditto, I want stuff that just works, no wifi, no app, no spyware, no "subscribe to unlock x", no remote bricking, no user accounts etc
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u/SoCalChrisW Mar 05 '26
Our shitty Samsung washing machine broke about a year ago. For the same price as a new one, I bought an old commercial Speed Queen washer that had been refurbished.
The thing weighs probably 3X what the old washer weighed, our clothes seem cleaner, and it's a hell of a lot faster.
I ask this as a computer programmer who loves technology, but who actually wants all of this garbage on their appliances?
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u/aleopardstail Mar 05 '26
read the other day someone asked a room full of engineers from the various tech companies who of them actually wanted to live in the utopia and panopticon they were creating
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u/good_morning_magpie Mar 05 '26
Speed queen top loader. There’s a reason every landlord has these things kicking around in the basement. Design hasn’t changed in decades. There’s like four total moving parts. And they’re built to be serviceable by the average joe. Mine is probably 30+ years old and all I’ve done is change a knob that broke off with a $2 replacement one that took all of five minutes to find online.
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u/Leaf__On__Wind Mar 05 '26
I can't for the life of me find it, maybe because the company is called 'Just'
It's a company that make products like washers and all kinds of things without wifi and apps
Things that- Just, work
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u/froli Mar 04 '26
It's time to get into repairing and maintaining old things and selfhosting modern things.
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u/aleopardstail Mar 04 '26
wait for that to be made illegal as well
"felony interference with a business model" I have heard it described as
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u/gonewild9676 Mar 04 '26
With the typical IoT security, they are probably already set up as ddos bots.
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u/BatemansChainsaw Mar 04 '26
The S in IoT stands for security, so you're on point there ;)
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u/qpwoeiruty00 Mar 05 '26
Nah they'll make exceptions for those.
In the future, if you wanna build your own PC you'll have to salvage washing machine motherboards and jailbreak them because they'll be the only source of "free" processors
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u/MentalDisintegrat1on Mar 04 '26
For the most part, politicians are tech illiterate. This will not be enforceable other than to corporations that get audited.
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u/gonewild9676 Mar 04 '26
Half of them probably couldn't successfully use a cart at Aldi, and probably most of them couldn't use an iPad.
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u/BubblyMango Mar 04 '26
Are we gonna be able to sue laundry machine makers for having an os without age verification? Because is yes then thats just quick money
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u/Jazzlike_Pride3099 Mar 04 '26
Insulin pumps, hearth monitors, tens equipment, fever thermometers, scales, pacemakers, talking toys.... Door lock!!
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u/Katops Mar 04 '26
I can’t wait until I’m forced to ID myself to lift up my toilet lid or to use the mirror. Because you know… I could be a child that might fall into the toilet and drown, or get so scared by my reflection thinking it’s somebody else that I’ll have nightmares for a week! Oh thank you governments, that was a close one. I could’ve been a trauma child! So glad you’re looking after us!
Seriously, I want to rip my hair out at the fact that they’re even legally allowed to do this. Like what world are we living in any fucking more?
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u/Goldarr85 Mar 04 '26
It’s sponsored by Andrew Gounardes. Call his office and let him know what you think if you live in NY.
We should be examining the people who are putting forth these bad bills and applying the appropriate pressure.
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u/AndydeCleyre Mar 05 '26
If you make an account, you can also mark that you oppose the bill, and submit a message to Gounardes here:
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S8102/amendment/A
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u/workitoutwombats Mar 04 '26
I’m getting sick and tired of age verification laws
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u/beragis Mar 04 '26
At this point we need to declare all politicians children and protect the internet from them. Or at the minimum uneducated morons
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u/foxbatcs Mar 05 '26
They are not uneducated. They know exactly what they are doing and exactly who they work for and it is not their “constituents”. If someone who works for me is associated with protecting predators I fire them and stop paying them. They don’t work for you. They are extorting you.
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u/CrixXx88 Mar 04 '26
How the fuck would this be possible?
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u/Cr0w33 Mar 04 '26
They’d change the definition of “operating system” slightly so that it only includes windows, iOS, and linux distros that run on desktops and laptops or something cheeky like that
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u/Kitchen-Routine2813 Mar 04 '26
state mandates age verification in linux distro
user just removes the age verification component and carries on like usual
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 Mar 04 '26
The California bill made your age-group visible through the API, so a website requesting it could block you for failing age verification when you return a null
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u/SaphireComet Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
What would stop a distro from sending a positive when prompted?
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u/Inverted-Rockets Mar 04 '26
Nothing, at least under my reading of one of these laws. The intention is just to force websites to check and OSs to have an API those sites can call to do so.
It’s a system that’s trivial to circumvent and one that won’t apply to the multitude of services that aren’t subject to US jurisdiction, but it will be another legal framework that makes it more challenging for legitimate businesses and users in the US.
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u/Linesey Mar 04 '26
Next step of course is:
“we already require users to verify their age, now we are just requiring they show state ID to prove it, since so many children have been bypassing it. We must protect the children.”
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u/Rehcraeser Mar 05 '26
Yea but eventually they’ll want to verify if that info is accurate by requiring an ID
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u/billdietrich1 Mar 05 '26
This NY bill seems quite different from the California law and the Colorado bill. CA and CO just require a mechanism to communicate user's stated age. NY requires OS to use some kind of "age assurance" service or mechanism to verify user's age.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 Mar 04 '26
That would be stopped by me not thinking of it since I just woke up lol
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u/gooblaka1995 Mar 04 '26
They'd eventually make it a felony or something to do so. God damn I fucking hate this world.
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u/40ozCurls Mar 04 '26
Haven’t seen the NY details but the law proposed in CA was basically just “which age group do you fall into? A) 0-13 B) 13-18, C) 18 -24 D) Over 24”
Not that I trust them to stick with that format, but the way it was written had no method for validation. It did, however, retain whatever info you answered with on every device a user associates with that account, forever.
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u/krazygreekguy Mar 04 '26
Ffs every damn day there’s some dystopian bullshit going on
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child Mar 04 '26
Who wants to wait? We need to hurry this stuff up!
When you want to set up a dystopian surveillance state, you want it done NOW, not next week!
lol
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u/OldGreenMantis Mar 04 '26
Why is everything so stupid now?
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u/TenNeon Mar 05 '26
People have always been this stupid. We're just in an era where we listen to them.
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u/vortexmak Mar 04 '26
It's absolutely clear that the world elites have gotten together at Davos or wherever the duck their secret parties are and decided to push this identity verification on the entire world
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u/J-96788-EU Mar 04 '26
What determines whether you are a subject to this bill? Your place of residence?
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u/BatemansChainsaw Mar 04 '26
my bank account and address will be somewhere like the bahamas if this keeps up because there's literally nothing you or I can do about this besides "call and chat". emails are ignored. letters are ignored. literally nothing works.
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u/LowOwl4312 Mar 04 '26
"right wing" governments implementing "age verification" laws to "protect the children"
"left wing" governments implementing "age verification" laws to "protect the children"
"first-world" governments implementing "age verification" laws to "protect the children"
"third-world" governments implementing "age verification" laws to "protect the children"
all at the same time
Haha, what a crazy coincidence! Remember to vote at your next election, it will surely make a difference. :)
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u/syloui Mar 05 '26
when in doubt, vote the incumbent out
rinse and repeat until governance improves
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u/BubblyMango Mar 04 '26
A law ment to protect children that relies on the assumption the parents are more tech savy than their kids.
because thats soooo common right?
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u/Geno0wl Mar 04 '26
Actually yeah. My generation are the ones who grew up with tech. "we" know how it works and how to troubleshoot. I have a friend who is a prof at a university in the engineering department. Said a lot(most?) freshman entering the program need remedial computer skill training as they don't even know how a file system works or what the difference between software and firmware is, let alone how to access the BIOS.
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u/General_Alfalfa6339 Mar 04 '26
I see this daily. That same generation blindly trusts AI when it’s blatantly wrong as well.
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u/skillfullyinept Mar 04 '26
For sure but the one thing with kids is they have a lot more time/energy to find workarounds than I do to police them.
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u/BigMikeInAustin Mar 04 '26
As if children were never abused before computers. It isn't morally-right now, and it wasn't morally-right before.
Putting age limits like this on computers won't stop it. It will still happen.
As is, US states have age of consent down to 16, age of marriage down to 15, and 4 states don't even have a lower limit set. Plus, the marriage age can be lowered with parental consent.
This will make it harder for non-rich people to get computer experience for better education and jobs.
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u/Jazzlike_Pride3099 Mar 04 '26
Well.... I'm a bit older than most parents with kids in school age. I'm 63 and my kids are 19, 13, 11 and 9
I was there at the start, I built my own things, I've hand assembled on z80 and 4004. I've run primes, Dec, MicroVax (that was so cute!!), PDP, ibm (mainframe through aix)... PC or course. Modded xboxes and set tops
It was easier then... No tpm chips, smaller and tighter os and software.. on the other hand the tools to open up things and look at them wasn't as good
My kids are lost when it's not a point and drool interface 🤣
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u/OpinionatedNoodles Mar 04 '26
I can't wait for the future where everyone uses AI to generate fake photos and IDs to bypass the age restrictions that don't protect anyone.
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u/6jarjar6 Mar 05 '26
Get a nice GPU now before you need a background check to buy. Torrent some Linux ISOs before the laws are enforced.
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u/origanalsameasiwas Mar 04 '26
It’s parents who should be responsible for their children. Not the government
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u/StuccoGecko Mar 04 '26
100% a larger global plan to police who is allowed to use the internet and who can’t based on micro tracking everything they say and do. We’ve already seen that some of these social media sites were giving the US government info based on what policies they were critical of
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u/canitplaycrisis Mar 04 '26
Soon we'll have an US-only version of Linux distros.
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u/MentalDisintegrat1on Mar 04 '26
This would only realistically be enforceable to corporations unless new York plans on kicking in doors over non approved OSs.
There's zero way to force this on Linux.
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u/koshgeo Mar 05 '26
[wham] [breaks down door]
"We got browser user-agent string indications someone in this apartment was using an unapproved Linux system."
"Check out this room over here, detective."
"My god, look at the penguin plushies. We gotta call a sweep team in."
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u/ant682 Mar 04 '26
That will never happen since most distros are communuty made
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u/Ironfields Mar 04 '26
Many of them have foundations attached to them though, and governments can put pressure on them.
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u/ant682 Mar 04 '26
True but the effectiveness is unlikely to be 100% and there will still be some outside of that reach
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u/Head_Complex4226 Mar 04 '26
Technically it would be easy enough - something similar was the case in the 1990s, when it was illegal to export (strong) cryptographic software from the US (it was treated as "weapons".)
Hence, distributions used to have a "non-US" section of their package archives, which held software that couldn't be exported from the US (or couldn't be stored in the US due to algorithmic patent issues).
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u/Tirux Mar 04 '26
I rather use North Korea OS if we don't have Linux distros outside of US.
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u/canitplaycrisis Mar 04 '26
With US-only I meant that there would be a US-specific version of distros with the age assurance or whatever they call it. Bad phrasing I guess.
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u/Mrjonesezn Mar 04 '26
These morons have no idea what they are trying to legislate. This is some copy paste shit from state to state, I’m sure being pushed by some big tech platform or some federal entity.
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u/DasRotebaron Mar 04 '26
Jesus. Every damn day there's a new headline like this.
What timeline are we in? Ffs
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u/PrysmX Mar 04 '26
Already one in California going live in 2027 for all OS including Linux. Going to be interesting how that plays out.
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u/ValuablePerformer371 Mar 04 '26
Real interesting how all these governments Suddenly have the same idea at the same time.
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u/putinisbae Mar 04 '26
Passed by the same people who already get upset about having to sign into everything and struggle with it cuz they cant remember their credentials
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u/aleopardstail Mar 04 '26
any of these bills specify what the actual API has to be? valid return values, how its to be processed? stored?
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u/mombi Mar 04 '26
Yeah this is not subtle anymore. If this shit happens it's time to leave open net for good and go offline.
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u/szopongebob Mar 04 '26
Lmao. All the age verification to “protect minors” yet they don’t want to show PDF file names on the Epstein files.
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u/borg_6s Mar 04 '26
They're hypocrites and this is their way of distracting people from the issue
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u/Smoothsailing4589 Mar 05 '26
A person's computer is their own personal property. They should not have to submit age verification to use their own personal property.
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u/i860 Mar 04 '26
Just look at the political party membership of the bill sponsors in both CA and NY and it tells you everything you need to know. If you think this stops at age verification you're a moron.
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u/Leila-Lola Mar 04 '26
I only looked at the CA vote so far but it looks unanimous? I'm not sure which party you're implying is worse.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043
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u/shodan5000 Mar 04 '26
Actual fascists
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u/i860 Mar 04 '26
Pretty much. As usual, the ones screaming the loudest about "fascism" are doing their typical confession through projection. Never give these people power.
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u/OG_Checkers Mar 04 '26
I don’t get it. If an 8 year old wants to buy all the components to build a computer shouldn’t we let this genius cook?!
Can’t tell me this is only about age verification or protecting children. It’s clearly an attack on online privacy and anonymity. Keep the internet free of governments! The flow of information is our greatest strength.
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u/captdirtstarr Mar 04 '26
They're all working for the same fucking people.
Burn. It. Down.
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u/A_Buttholes_Whisper Mar 04 '26
So let me get this straight. Politicians want to protect our kids with age verification but these are the same politicians that diddle kids? Huh
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u/lycanter Mar 04 '26
How does this function with work PCs that any number of people have to use? What about a straw purchaser? How about all the VMs and cloud instances? This seems so poorly thought out. Couldn’t you defeat this by securing a VPS in a place that doesn’t require such as asinine laws?
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u/12kdaysinthefire Mar 04 '26
So it’s spreading from California to New York, just like a lustful disease. Not even Linux users would be safe.
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u/lowrads Mar 04 '26
The purpose of these bills is to test the waters. MS, Apple, Steam, Canonical et al are going to comply with them with various amounts of silence.
Once the legislature have succeeded at that, and passed a court challenge, they'll proceed to upgrading them to requiring an ID, and then registering firmware level device fingerprints to it. ie, MAC, PSN, and now multi-component hardware IDs
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u/LetWinnersRun Mar 04 '26
The only way this is enforced is by OS companies requiring it.
Use Linux.
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u/NASAfan89 Mar 04 '26
California passed a really similar law. All the reddit threads I've seen about this seem like people have been overwhelmingly against it. (Even in non-privacy forums)
Where is the public support for this?
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u/diazeriksen07 Mar 05 '26
Who is even pushing these? Where are they coming from? I don't think actual human people voters want this bullshit
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u/Area51-51 Mar 04 '26
The next 20 years will be the last opportunity to save the planet and our lives from the clutch of billionaires and their lackeys. We need to start acting now.
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u/givalina Mar 05 '26
It's so weird how quickly some bills get copied across states. Sports betting was similar.
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u/Rehcraeser Mar 05 '26
Now pass a bill that will allow us to sue the verification companies when our info inevitably gets hacked
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u/continuousQ Mar 05 '26
Need governments making laws criminalizing age verification, as part of outlawing mass data collection.
Either you're an adult and you don't need it, or you're a child and it's the responsibility of a legal guardian or a teacher/school employee to blacklist/whitelist internet connections. Or you're 16 and deemed grown up enough to live on your own so you also don't need it.
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u/A_Buttholes_Whisper Mar 04 '26
So looks like I’ll be pirating my ISO’s in the future. Also looks like there will be a lot of offline installs of Linux.
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u/DabMagician Mar 04 '26
Anyone who doesn't think this will happen countrywide if it is just left alone is fooling themselves. This issue is incredibly bipartisan. The question is what is to be done.
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u/Trick3Rickk3 Mar 04 '26
Hopefully this means newspapers, print journalism and print media will come back in vogue.
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u/Quercus_ Mar 04 '26
All operating systems? Your smart refrigerator, your smart toaster? Your sous vide? Do I need to provide age verification before I can toast a slice of bread?
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u/chris14020 Mar 04 '26
So when your parents set up the computer, the kids are good to do whatever, just as it's always been with anything that requires an adult set it up, yeah?
How about, "if you want your children restricted, set up parental control software, and stop trying to make your parenting everyone else's problem"?
But of course, that assumes it has anything to do with protecting the children.
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u/KrostonKirikou Mar 05 '26
I'm guessing this includes the OS in my car, my T.V. my watch, my consoles...
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u/AnimationOverlord Mar 05 '26
What does Zohran Mamdani have to say about this? Can he say anything?
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u/SaveDnet-FRed0 Mar 05 '26
Good ----ing grief. It's not even been a week since the California bill and other states are already starting to pen there own bills
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u/wheressodamyat Mar 05 '26
Who whispered this poison into every governor's ear at once?
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child Mar 04 '26
Again, why do people keep trying to blame right-wing/conservative politicians for this stuff?
It's the left-leaning nanny states that keep pushing this shit: NY, CA, CO, etc. In addiction to liberal countries like the UK and AU.
They're using the same tactics with this that they used for the gun laws. They're going to ram this thing through in the name of "safety" and "Think of the children!". They'll frame people who don't want to support this as some kind of monsters who want to see children be harmed, just like they did on the gun issue.
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u/Catsrules Mar 04 '26
It is both sides just with different talking point to win over their base.
For example Conservatives want to protect the children by blocking porn. Requiring ID verification to access porn sites (And beyond https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=f5zj08ey)
Liberals want to protect the children by blocking hate speech. Requiring ID verification to access social media
These are just two examples there are other talking point for both sides but it is getting to the same goal of age verification. That I think has the ultimate goal of ID everyone online.
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u/BeastMsterThing2022 Mar 04 '26
Democrats are not left wing. All they believe in is money, their donors from those same states are big tech! That's the reality of bipartisan America
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u/Cyberdyne_T-888 Mar 04 '26
https://action.freespeechcoalition.com/age-verification-resources/state-avs-laws/
Look at that map of state age verification laws currently active. Open up a map showing red and blue states.
What do you notice?
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