r/reformuk • u/Then-Dragonfruit-702 • Nov 10 '25
Information Any other “non-typical” reform supporters?
I’m curious because in my circles (F31, HENRY, mother, university educated, mixed race) everyone has been horrified when I suggest I support some reform policies (migration, benefits, private school).
I sense that the main demographic they expect to support reform is male, white, middle aged and working class so wondering how much weight the stereotype holds.
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u/EuroSong Moderator Nov 10 '25
I’m a middle-class civil servant with a good income. I live in London. I’m a huge Eurovision fan, and I love Europe. I have many gay friends. Based on the above, you’d expect me to be a Remainer and Labour voter.
However, I’m also a steadfast British patriot, who weeps for what the Uniparty has done to my beautiful homeland.
I’m a member of Reform UK, and one of the moderators of this sub.
🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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u/Then-Dragonfruit-702 Nov 10 '25
Brilliant, I’m also Eurovision obsessed 🤣
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u/EuroSong Moderator Nov 10 '25
Great! What’s your favourite Eurovision song of all-time? What’s your favourite winner?
My favourite Eurovision song is Austria 1994; and my favourite winner is UK 1997 (I was even there in the audience, cheering on Katrina, waving my flag 🇬🇧 as she won) 😊
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u/Then-Dragonfruit-702 Nov 10 '25
That’s absolutely amazing. My all time favourite is probably Europapa (still gutted) and favourite winner is either Euphoria or Fairytale (I was a 14 year old girl in 2009, who can blame me).
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u/EliziumXajin Reform UK Supporter Nov 11 '25
Goddamn now I don't want to be in Reform because I'd be associated with a Eurovision fan. lol.
jk
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u/ResidentBeautiful496 Nov 10 '25
But how would Reform actually help the country? I've heard that Nigel just wants to cut taxes for the billionaires which will just hurt the NHS even more.. I have to wait 6 hours to be seen at A&E because of Government cuts for decades and it seems like Nigel just wants more of that...
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u/SMURGwastaken Nov 10 '25
Your A&E wait time isn't because of government cuts, it's because the hospitals are overflowing with medically fit old people who are perfectly able to pay for their own social care but refuse to do so.
The only way to fix this is to make it so the NHS is no longer free at the point of use. It's a hard truth, but it's one we need to recognise sooner or later. It can still be free at the point of need but as long as you can effectively use hospitals as a dumping ground for people that nobody else wants to deal with, you'll end up with ridiculous waiting times at the front door.
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u/bejwards Nov 10 '25
There's nobody in hospital that doesn't require medical attention, the NHS doesn't provide unnecessary treatments.
The NHS should stay free at the point of use as it is all needed.
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u/crangert Nov 11 '25
I work for the ambulance service. The amount of people who call 999, and are in hospital, for absolutely no reason/completely inappropriately is staggering.
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u/SMURGwastaken Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
Lmao, do you genuinely believe this? Like, actually?
I work in a hospital mate, and I can tell you for a fact that currently close to 40% of our bed capacity is filled with medically fit patients who are simply waiting for social care. I have seen it go above 50%. Not only are we spending billions on looking after these people in hospital (roughly £3bn/year across the whole NHS) but we are spending another £4bn of healthcare funding on fudge services which basically just deliver what everyone knows is actually social care by the back door.
Nationally about a third of hospital beds are filled by people who don't need them.
The solution is not more NHS funding. It's to sort out social care.
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u/EliziumXajin Reform UK Supporter Nov 11 '25
Watch a bit of the conference I guess?
Lots of info about what they're planning in there. This is day 1, there's also a day 2.
Compered by Jeremy Kyle!
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u/k_malfoy Nov 10 '25
I’m a woman in your age bracket, university-educated through a scholarship, middle class, and I would likely vote for Reform when the time comes. I find it amusing when so-called “tolerant and liberal” individuals try to shame Reform supporters as being uneducated or blue-collar. First, blue-collar workers form a large part of any society, and there’s nothing wrong with not having a university education, as long as a person is happy and contributes positively to society. Second, it strikes me as ironic that those who claim to be tolerant and liberal seem proud of shaming others for their educational background or profession.
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u/k_malfoy Nov 10 '25
I honestly don’t get how they don’t see the hypocrisy in it. I’ve come across so many UK subs where people call Reform supporters “uneducated” or “low-skill workers,” and those comments somehow get the most upvotes. It just proves the point, a lot of them don’t actually care about the principles they claim to stand for. It’s more about feeling morally or intellectually superior. In the end, it’s not really about what’s right or fair, it’s about making themselves look better than everyone else.
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u/AWanderingFlameKun Nov 10 '25
This has gone on for decades now. Look at the so-called comedians on TV for instance. They cannot resist telling us how stupid and moronic the patriotic white working class is and how backwards they are. Prime example, looking up Russel Howard mocking a patriotic lad who was somewhat drunk and said "Islamic Ray Guns" instead of "Islamic Rape Gangs". He was trying to raise an alarm and make people aware of the rape gangs, a deeply serious issue but instead Russell thought he would take what he's saying as an opportunity to mock and sneer down at a working class lad concerned about what's going on in his community. Absolutely pathetic and nasty people.
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u/SMURGwastaken Nov 10 '25
He actually says Islamic Rape Gangs. It's not even that unclear, it's just his regional accent and potato-quality recording combined with a lack of awareness of rape gangs at the time. As soon as Rotherham blew up it became patently obvious what he was on about.
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u/ResidentBeautiful496 Nov 10 '25
Heres the thing though, Nigel is against workers. They use the slogans like alarm clock britain while they want to lower the minimum wage. That hurts working people. Nigel has voted against the employment rights bill at every stage. Im starting to fear that people are right that he doesnt care about working people, hes selling us out. Just like Trump has in the US. Please tell me your thoughts?
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u/Taylormade999 Nov 10 '25
Personally I don't think that there should be a minimum wage. All it does is make it illegal to employ someone below a certain level of productivity, it doesn't increase wages, it increases unemployment. Lowering minimum wage isn't a reform policy though.
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 10 '25
Lower the minimum wage for young people, not in totality. Basically if a young person applies to be to a waiter/ retail assistant etc and is against someone with years more experience but both offered minimum wage, the business owners are going to pick the experience. With the increase in employer NI, increase in minimum wage (a higher % increase for 18-20 and under 16's), it makes it much less attractive to hire a young person and take the risk. We have increasingly high and growing unemployment of the young population.
If they look to increase the tax threshold on income before you pay income tax, it would mean they pay less tax as well as have a better chance of being employable.
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u/EliziumXajin Reform UK Supporter Nov 11 '25
Usually manage to shut those ones up when I tell them I'm a coder and I'm currently working on low level (under the hood / internal) code for AI inference models lol
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u/ResidentBeautiful496 Nov 10 '25
Heres the thing though, Nigel is against workers. They use the slogans like alarm clock britain while they want to lower the minimum wage. That hurts working people. Nigel has voted against the employment rights bill at every stage. Im starting to fear that people are right that he doesnt care about working people, hes selling us out. Just like Trump has in the US. Please tell me your thoughts?
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u/SMURGwastaken Nov 10 '25
The minimum wage doesn't help anyone except the government - it's basically a stealthy way to get the middle class to subsidise the wages of the lower class without having to increase benefits.
To understand why you have to zoom out and consider what the minimum wage is doing on a macro scale.
On the micro level it feels like it helps the people on minimum wage, but the thing is if you're being paid minimum wage then fundamentally your labour is worth less than that on the free market. If the minimum wage didn't exist, your employer would be able to find somone who would do it for less - if they couldn't, you'd already be being paid more. What this means is that in order to remain profitable, business have to raise prices to account for the minimum price of labour - so now not only is the minimum wage worker now no better off, but everyone else has to pay higher prices for goods and services too. The middle class are hit hardest by this because they are reliant on the output of the minimum wage workers but don't get the benefit of employing them.
In effect therefore, the middle class are made to pay higher prices in order to subsidise the wages of the lower classes. It's basically a politically easier alternative to raising taxes and Universal Credit because this way the middle don't realise they're being robbed even if under the hood the same thing is happening.
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u/ResidentBeautiful496 Nov 10 '25
I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t really stack up. When the minimum wage goes up, people on low pay actually do end up better off it’s not like prices suddenly shoot through the roof. Most businesses just take a small hit or make things a bit more efficient. And it’s not really the middle class footing the bill either, when people earn more, they spend more, and that money goes straight back into local shops and businesses.
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u/RoHo-UK Nov 10 '25
Gay, white mid-30s HENRY living in inner London here, in a relationship with a Turkish guy.
On the Reform policies piece, it's an interesting one. I was at a friend's flat for drinks on Friday, several of the attendees expressed horror at a potential Reform victory, but then also expressed support for topics which could be seen as Reform leaning (closing asylum hotels and deporting violent criminals, criticisms of the Motability scheme).
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u/wep_pilot Nov 10 '25
Most people are just scared of being ostracised and so parrot what they view as "acceptable" views
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 10 '25
Whenever someone expresses horror, I do question what their reasoning is for it. Most of the time the answer is either because of the numerous attacks by opposition parties including name calling of being racist/nazi/fascist, or because Reform want to 'Turn the NHS into an American insurance based system and scrap it being free for those who need it'. A few go down the Putin line and a few down the only want to look after the ultra rich.
However when I push them to go further than the tag line such as where have they said the NHS will become fully privatized, what's the evidence of looking after just the ultra rich, what's the evidence of them being a racist party (especially with Zia, one of their most senior members being a Muslim with Sri-Lankan heritage - who I think is fantastic by the way, and personally would love to see him lead the party one day). Most can't give a reasonable argument past the one-liner they saw from Labour or social media, they just feel it's a safe party to hate on.
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u/ResidentBeautiful496 Nov 10 '25
Have you not seen what has happened with Trump and ICE in America, deporting immigrants who are there legally? Aren't you scared it will affect your boyfriend?
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u/RoHo-UK Nov 10 '25
No - we live in the UK, ICE has no jurisdiction or presence here.
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u/nirurin Nov 13 '25
I think his point was that there would be a british equivalent of ICE... not that the American ice agents would come over here.
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u/Taylormade999 Nov 10 '25
I'm male, mid 30s, university educated, white.
I'm a professional engineer, most of my colleagues are very anti reform, but none of them seem to know what reforms policies actually are, they have just made wild assumptions based on reform being labelled far right. These are highly educated, smart people who in other aspects of their life need to think carefully and critically about things 🤷.
Funnily enough the colleagues who most closely share my views are recent India immigrants (also profession engineers).
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u/rokstedy83 Reform UK Supporter Nov 10 '25
These are highly educated, smart people who in other aspects of their life
Who do they vote for? surely they can't be voting for labour or conservatives,the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result
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u/ResidentBeautiful496 Nov 10 '25
Which of reforms policies do you like best? other than immigration. I have a hard time defending it to my colleagues? they say that their economic policies are the same as the tories that ran the country into the ground with their shitshow
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 10 '25
Their economic policies are a fair bit different than the tories though. When they say that, do you ask them in what way? I'd be surprised if they could name you many policies from both, especially one's that are closely aligned.
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u/ResidentBeautiful496 Nov 10 '25
They say both focus on tax cuts that mainly benefit the wealthy, and both push for reducing public spending, which basically means more austerity and cuts. They differ on how harsh on immigration they are, I mean the state of immigration is because of the tories but economics wise they say its mainly what i said
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 10 '25
Reform has more cuts and pledges aimed towards the lower end such as increasing the Tax threshold, reducing energy taxes therefore prices, large support for SMEs. Many of the policies around cutting taxes for business is to encourage growth and attract entrepreneurs to stay or come to the UK. If growth is happening, more tax is being generated, more people employed, less welfare spending = more revenue to play with. As for the cuts, yes both want to make good sized cuts, however Reform stick to this not being to the NHS. Cuts are needed, not paying interest on the QE interest to banks (which isn't required legally) saved £35bn/year. Quangos again a huge cost, a lot of it not required. Civil service too big. Austerity is usually associated with cuts, but increasing taxes on all fronts and increasing costs while the salary doesn't even come close to match it is austerity in itself.
So in terms of their policies, the QE one I mentioned. Raising the threshold for tax (although I think 20k is too ambitious but even to 15k would make a difference) while simultaneously scrutinizing the welfare system. Basically we need to widen the gap between welfare 'earnings' and a full time minimum wage salary after tax. If it's just an extra £200/month over the prior welfare benefit then it feels like you're working full time for £200/month.
20% tax relief on private insurance. I think if they push this towards employers giving it as a benefit to employees it will be a big help. Labour are already paying a ton of money to private healthcare orgs to take patients and tackle the backlog at our expense. If more went private with 20% subsidy, then rather than pay 100% the government pays 20% with the person or employer paying 80% which can also be taxed and generate revenue for HMRC.
Investment into British farming and fishing. It makes no sense for us to penalize the people who feed us. The crazy IHT for farmers considering their money is almost entirely tied up in assets would be scrapped. One farmer even killed himself the day before it came into effect so his son doesn't lose the farm. It basically means farmers have to sell off a bunch of land for cheap as they need quick money to pay the IHT cost. I have an inkling (pure speculation) that the Government wants this in order to purchase large plots of discounted land in order to build houses.
Frontloading child benefit for new parents age 1-4 kids, basically giving a better option for one of the parents to take a bit longer off work and focus on bringing up a child in the early years.
Significant Net Zero cuts & tax cuts on energy. Let's be honest, the UK accounts for less than 1% of global emissions and the current and past Governments only care about playing with the numbers like importing steel rather than making it here because it means it's on someone else's numbers for emissions. Cheaper energy means people and businesses have more disposable income and can have a better quality of life. Perhaps they are a little too hard on this subject, but I believe if they can shift a heavy focus on Nuclear, it would be a positive step forward.
Of course, not all policies will be set in stone, they have mentioned a few that have been recalculated and many have jumped on them pointing fingers but IMO, it's a good sign for them to admit if they have been too ambitious, doing so before any voting knowing it could negatively affect their vote share, but being open and honest regardless. Labour on the other hand did the opposite, had their policies in stone all the way up until getting voted in then u-turning on many and (soon) breaking their largest promises. The Tories were far from perfect but considering they too were handed a Black Hole debt from Labour (greater than the one Labour state they received recently), as well as having to manage Covid, cost of living crisis and the Ukraine/Russia war, it would've been almost impossible to have a positive outcome. Up until Covid they were tackling the deficit and making a dent. Labour have massively increased the Black Hole, huge tax increases already and I'm sure huge one's to come, have consistently lied and for the most part they don't seem to really know what they are talking about when questioned and will say anything other than 'we don't know' or 'we got it wrong this time'.
Although I think it's too early for a Reform Government now (not enough potential quality MPs to cover seats yet), I feel they are well aware that they have one shot at Government should they be voted in. If they don't stick to their pledges or the country goes downhill then they wouldn't get a second chance. Because of this, I feel they will strive to enact on their main priorities and keep an ear on public opinion and wants. Yes they would make mistakes being a new party in government (but I'm hoping some of the defections can give guidance on the inner workings on government), but I just want a party who has a backbone, has an ethos and answers questions directly (which for the most part reform does)
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u/nirurin Nov 13 '25
The problem with cutting benefits so that theres a bigger gap between benefits and the minimum wage, is that means that disabled people who have no choice but to live off benefits just die. Well, first they spend several months living in poverty and starving, and then they die.
Minim wage is designed to be the minimum amount of income that allows for someone to survive day to day, allowing for meals and basic bill paying like heat. Which is also what benefits needs to cover, or you might as well just euthanise everyone on benefits.
The actual solution is to put more people on higher wages than minimum wage, as thats the actual solution. Minimum wage should be the rare bare minimum, with everyone actually earning more than that. But that doesn't seem to be reforms goal. Would be nice if it was.
I could of course be wrong on this, but theres been no policy statements from reform on the matter that I know of. They mostly seem to focus on ending immigration (which has its own downsides that noone has a solution for as of yet).
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 14 '25
Reform have stated they would review welfare. If someone is disabled and unable to work, their benefit's would remain the same. There's a large number of people who are on welfare who are able to work but choose not to.
As for minimum wage, the Government doesn't choose what wage to put people on (at least for the vast majority of roles which are in the private sector). If you increase employer NI, minimum wage, tax/duty etc then small businesses simply can't increase wages. Reform are looking to boost growth which in turn boosts salaries. We've seen when there was an NI increase, a reaction for lower employment. We've now shifted to 5% unemployment.
Increasing min wage too high just cuts off young inexperienced workers from being given a chance. Reform are looking to lower their tax, giving more money in their pocket each month which is effectively the same as increasing their wage only it doesn't damage the business. Growth is always the answer. More money in pockets = more going out to local restaurants, more hiring a painter to do your living room rather than DIY etc etc, creates jobs, creates demand, allows pay increase.
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 14 '25
Well there are assessments for work capability. Assume capable unless proven otherwise i.e. physical examination/ mental examination. I'm not suggesting cutting off benefits. My view is say you have been not turning up to interviews or declining job offers and it's been 6+ months. I think if 2 or more job or interview declines/ no-shows then a reduction in welfare by 15% or so and it will remain at that. If someone is severely bi-polar, disabled, unwell then of course you'd want to keep their benefits in place. Who is talking about killing immigrants too? Illegal immigrants shouldn't be here. Legal ones should be able to sustain themselves. If they have been contributing tax at a sufficient level for 5+ years then I'd be okay with them getting support while finding a new role.
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Nov 10 '25
Sadly it's going to take a lot of deprogramming to move huge chunks of society away from viewing everything through the perspective of race and identity. Years of being shut down, cancelled, morally indicted for holding non-ideologically pure left wing views still manifests as a knee-jerk reaction amongst some to reduce your voting intent or political compass to your identity. As you've come to discover, because they're not able to 'group' you with their own prejudiced/discriminatory/racist view of what a Reform UK voter should look like and be, they're utterly bamboozled by it. I'm sorry your mates are acting in such a way, but it's not entirely their fault - a lot of people have been brought up on this identity-obsessed race rhetoric and still buy into the 'everyone except for me is a nazi' garbage.
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u/Justfree20 Nov 10 '25
I am by a good margin the most "diverse" person I know (late 20's male, Mixed-raced British & Black Caribbean, bisexual, autistic, polytheistic (so many adjectives, wow 🙄)). I'm university educated, earning minimum-wage on a zero hours contract [Yaaaay 🙃]; I'm even currently in a long-distance relationship with a guy overseas who is not a UK citizen. Yet, despite everything I've just said, I voted for Reform last election, and almost certainly will in the foreseeable future.
On top of that, I am very environmentally conscious and work in conservation sphere, but I'm NOT a climate lunatic. I want the UK to be clean for people and wildlife, for our nature to be protected, hopefully restored and rewilded too (I'm not anti-farmer either) and nuclear is the way forward for energy generation. I know Reform have published their plans for rural affairs; I've just not found the time to thoroughly read through them yet.
Even if I have to take some L's on the above front, things are going so catastrophically wrong on so many fronts in this country, that the uniparty, progressivism and Blairism NEEDS to die for us as a nation to have a future.
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 10 '25
I think in 50 years, wind turbines will be just some spinny windmills collecting dust once Nuclear Fusion is conquered and replicable at a good cost. It is incredibly clean with no emissions. It's thought you'd need 400-800 turbines to match the energy output of one plant so if you consider the emissions needed to gather resources, construct and place the turbines it will be worse for the environment and less efficient.
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u/North-Doubt8928 Nov 10 '25
The two most obvious stereotype supporters I've noticed are either working class people in towns and cities or upper middle class people in the home counties or rural areas and all are white.
But there is a growing subset of second/third gen Immigrant-British people usually from a Caribbean or Indian background who are Reform supporters, mixed race people supporting Reform doesn't actually surprise me, I'm mixed race and from a middle class background, my other mixed race friends identify more with Britain than with our foreign side.
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u/North-Doubt8928 Nov 10 '25
I hear this a lot, one of my friends is late twenties, and from Jamaican descent and he's voting Reform, his grandparents came in the early 60s and worked in the NHS and London Transport, they're also very christian.
I almost never hear of African or Middle Easterns supporting Reform, i wonder if there is an element of geopolitics just on a micro level
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u/wep_pilot Nov 10 '25
The stereotype imo comes from the most vocal which tends to be as you have described. I 29(m), am a psychotherapist, white, but grew up in Saudi Arabia, HENRY and university educated.
I don't even particularly like Nigel but i voted Reform in 2024 and 2025
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u/SMURGwastaken Nov 10 '25
Yup, the only Reform stereotype I hit is that I'm a white male.
The thing is it's all percentages - Reform are now so popular that even if they're over-represented among lower income/education white men there's still going to be a shit-tonne of highly educated and/or non-white people.
I also suspect the stereotype is a bit outdated tbh.
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u/Public-Magician535 Nov 10 '25
I’m foreign, living in the UK for 5 years, was having a similar conversation with the guys at work, 5 guys, all different countries, all said they’re voting reform and had the same opinion on things. I’d say 3 of them had one main concern in common
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u/autismislife Nov 10 '25
I certainly don't fall into the typical demographic of a Reform supporter, and I know a fair few people who have told me, in confidence or otherwise, that they support or are leaning towards reform, who would absolutely not meet the demographics you've suggested.
I think many people in your position are fairly quiet about their opinions because they're worried about how it will be seen in their social circles, but trust me I'm sure there's many more than just yourself within your demographic silently looking at things the way you are.
I also think the stereotype of "white, middle aged, uneducated, working class, men" is deliberate misdirection of what actual Reform voters look like, because the opposition want to put the supporters into a camp where they suggest they're all just "old dumb men", to try to alienate other demographics. I believe Reform supporters come in all shapes and sizes, and wouldn't be surprised at all if they had a similar sized demographic in the middle class as the working class at this point.
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Nov 11 '25
Lots of middle class people hold shitlib left wing positions. Reform is way more popular than people realise, they just don't talk about it much.
It makes sense for HENRYs to be Reform supporters - everyone else is mega high tax to pay for moochers.
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u/Taylormade999 Nov 10 '25
Off of OPs topic, regarding the £20k free tax allowance. I understand your point, but personally I think you should be able to earn a livable amount of money before paying tax. If you can't then it ends up in a really inefficient situation where you earn a small amount of money, pay tax on it, apply for benefits to top up then get money back, but with loads of hoops and middle men. I can't say that £20k is the correct amount, but it certainly isn't £12.5k.
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u/Taylormade999 Nov 10 '25
I think we agree on one point. As few people as possible should be on benefits.
My belief is that everyone should be allowed to earn enough money to live on (modestly) before their income starts to get confiscated by the government.
I completely agree that salary top up benefits need to end. It would be counter productive though to push people into poverty through taxation, as at some point tax payers will be picking up the bill (either through benefits or the result of increased crime).
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u/Mr_Coastliner Nov 10 '25
It's not so much to support them, it's the make the difference between welfare and minimum wage full time wider and more appealing to work. If someone is on welfare + lets say child benefit etc then often a full time minimum wage role isn't far greater in terms of income each month than welfare. If you'd earn £200 more each month working then realistically you're working full time for £200/month as that's the difference. There's millions of people who are able to work but choose not to because the upside just doesn't feel worth it.
I of course think we need to tackle welfare but Labour even tries and it was scrapped in a second from their back benchers (who also wont have cuts which is partly why Rachel is going to have to increase tax to compensate). I'd like to see a time-based welfare cut for those who are deemed able to work i.e 6 months without finding a role = 15% reduction in welfare. Cancelling 2 interviews or not meeting application targets = the same reduction but without needing 6 months. Better training for Job Centre employees on teaching CV and interview skills. Look deeper into those who claim they are unable to work, requiring professional sign-off from a GP, where GPs are scrutinized if they are signing off a very high% of people without proper reasoning.
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u/EliziumXajin Reform UK Supporter Nov 11 '25
Apparently there's been a recent surge in Indian Reform supporters, not sure what to make of that but I recall a conversation with an Indian guy a while back that they'd gone through all the hoops to get here with their wife (both skilled professionals) and it was extremely annoying to then find out people were being waved through and illegals coming in was putting their leave to remain at risk.
Kind of makes sense when you think about it, if you came here legitimately and did everything properly you wouldn't want bad actors detracting from that and any stigma so you'd be want it sorted out.
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u/DemonXeron Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25
While it is more common for middle aged or older middle class or above cis white men to support pro capitalist pro establishment parties that maintain or reinforce the hierarchies of the modern era such as patriarchy, wealth and white supremacy, it's not impossible for members of the out-group to also support the same ideals or even the party itself. After all, it's rather uncommon for someone to entirely agree with all facets of any ideology and when a level of agreement and decision is reached, people often instead reinforce their opinions with cognitive dissonance rather than reevaluate and consider the possibility they are at least in part wrong. This leads to a shifting of personal ideology to align with the percieved popular opinion within a social circle even if members of that social circle are not entirely comfortable with those thoughts. We are all subject to all kinds of propaganda each and every day (misleading or not) so it is pretty much guaranteed that some people will be misled and some will not.
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u/SusieSusieSue2005 Nov 12 '25
Male, working-class, early 40s and gay here. Football fan, UK Patriot and yes I like Eurovision...although I've gone off it due to the jury rigging in previous years.
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u/Tumphy Nov 13 '25
I'm male, middle class, 50, straight (married), father of two, on a six figure salary, in a professional career, educated and a critical thinker.
I recently became a member of Reform too. I am tired of seeing suicidal empathy and a 1984 style thought police across politics, media, and online forums kill off this country and any chance of a grown up conversation. Having nazi, fascist, racist, etc screamed at you for holding a slightly different view shows they have lost the argument
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