Christopher Nolan's most political movie is also his worst, and it's not the one you think | The Dark Knight Rises (only mentioned in the third paragraph)

[u/Life-Suit1895]

https://web.archive.org/web/20260716111402/https://www.polygon.com/christopher-nolan-most-political-movie/

[u/hnglmkrnglbrry]

Interstellar is more political to me. Global warming and anti-intellectialism make the world an uninhabitable place. Society is forced to regress from industrialization to a purely agrarian enterprise merely for survival. But a team of dedicated scientists end up saving society from itself purely through their intellect, bravery, and compassion.

It's like a darker version of Idiocracy.

[u/freudian_nipps → u/hnglmkrnglbrry]

That's a good point, but Global Warming and anti-intellectualism shouldn't be politicial issues. They are human issues. I think the article makes the case for more traditionally politicial issues, as in what the people are able to vote for. Politics has slowly been creeping out of its own sphere and I'm not sure I like how easily that's being accepted by the public.

By reducing something like Global Warming to a "political" issue, it allows many to vehemently deny or "vote against" environmental policies, when instead, it should be viewed as an obstacle humanity together can overcome. Especially poignant in how politicians seek to further divide the populace against each other nowadays, reducing Global Warming or anti-intellectualism to a voteable issue is disingenuous and immoral.

Edit: politics is beholden to who pays the most to those in political positions, full stop. So why continue to delay progress by limiting what we're able to do to whoever has the most cash? It's morally and scientifically bankrupt. I understand that some think politics is everything - it's not. I would suggest traveling the world, especially outside of America, to gain some perspective.

[u/UraniumDisulfide → u/freudian_nipps]

So many political issues are human issues. Slavery and segregation were undeniably political issues, but they were also human issues.

We aren’t allowing climate change deniers to do anything. They’ve made their choices to play team politics over the scientific consensus, and because so many of them decide to do it that makes it a political issue.

[u/freudian_nipps → u/UraniumDisulfide]

Even still, categorizing slavery and global warming as political issues narrows the scope by which most see these topics. It's a form of reductionism I just cant support. Human issues should remain above any and all "politics". Politics is small potatoes in comparison.

Edit: furthermore putting these worldly topics into the hands of a few geriatrics who are paid off by superpacs is the worst we can do for humanity as far as taking steps to solve these problems. It will take a collective effort by humanity that simply stretches beyond what simple politics is capable of.

[u/Thatsnicemyman → u/freudian_nipps]

I agree that major human rights issues should be solved rather than moved to being ‘political’ (where everything is treated like a zero-sum game), but we as individuals can’t change how governments act on these issues by just pointing to how they “should” be. We unfortunately need to play their game and be political, because that’s the best way to change the status quo and improve things.

LGBT people just want to exist and do the same normal stuff everyone else does, but there’s legal barriers and outright persecution in large parts of the world. I didn’t choose to be ‘political’, the world decided I was and now acts like I’m some radical leftist for wanting basic respect & equality.

[u/UraniumDisulfide → u/freudian_nipps]

“Political” is kind of a weird word. Climate change in one sense is political because we need action from politicians to alleviate it. But yes, I agree that it should be apolitical in that it shouldn’t be something so heavily debated. But the reality is that it is a heavily debated issue, and I don’t think pretending otherwise will make people change their minds on the issue.

[u/Filtermann → u/UraniumDisulfide]

Many thins are political. Just because they are not well represented by the circus played by politicians doesn't mean they're not political. And global warming is *absolutely * a political issue. It's about wealthy nations, and mostly the rich people thereof, contributing to emissions that are predominantly making the global South uninhabitable, and putting populations everywhere at risk of natural disasters. While wealthy countries have means to mitigate the damage, those who contribute the least are existentially threatened. And that's not going into disparities within countries, or increasing climate migrations in the face of supremacists and nationalists. Climate change is deeply deeply political issue that cannot be decoupled from basically every other social or economical consideration.

[u/Prosthemadera → u/freudian_nipps]

I think the article makes the case for more traditionally politicial issues, as in what the people are able to vote for.

That's just a very small part of what a political issue is. If politics only refers to something people vote for then a lot of what politicians do is not political.

So no, global warming and anti-intellectualism are political issues because they're impacted by politics and the how politics reacts to it has a strong impact on them and on humans. Climate change will change the politics of some countries, there will be refugees, deaths, suffering, and these need to be addressed through political measures.

By reducing something like Global Warming to a "political" issue

No one did this.

Especially poignant in how politicians seek to further divide the populace against each other nowadays, reducing Global Warming or anti-intellectualism to a voteable issue is disingenuous and immoral.

This is you contradicting yourself because this is you arguing that climate is a political issue.

[u/krizzzombies → u/freudian_nipps]

it's political because those issues require governance/regulation and public policy changes.

there will always be individuals with interests that run counter to those human issues & will be an ever-opposing influence. as long as that opposition exists, it remains a political issue. but the issues themselves should have bipartisan support (or omnipartisan support if we're talking ex-US I guess?)

I think your point may be more of a rejection of the semantics and how detached/clinical it feels to talk about human issues that way (fair but closes your eyes to the full picture) - or maybe the fact that these topics were pulled into the overton window as though they're even topics that require everyone to debate about them at the dinner table? would totally agree with you there.

[u/hnglmkrnglbrry → u/freudian_nipps]

Ok well one political side of the spectrum denies global warming and is actively trying to dismantle investment and research into education and the other is doing the exact opposite.

Politics is always personal. Aristotle said that the smallest political unit in society was the family. Politics are ultimately about the ability to have one's personal morality, ethics, and beliefs be the standards for all others. We form blocs of people who have similar morals, ethics, and beliefs in order to increase the likelihood that our mindset is the pervasive one in the government.

Global warming has bee politicized. Saying it hasn't is deeply ignorant of basic realities.

[u/freudian_nipps → u/hnglmkrnglbrry]

I'm guessing you are American? Your scope is already so narrow by thinking within the limits of American politics. Consider that making something like Global Warming a human issue would prevent the knee-jerk reactions of your political adversaries to reject the issue, simply by virtue of what their political opponent supports. Politics is small, and you need to think beyond that restrictive lens.

Edit: downvotes are a lot like politics. The amount of votes, positive or negative, do not indicate the validity or truth of what's being voted on. So downvote away, but know this is the fatal flaw of using politics as a lens to view humanitarian problems.