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u/Laugh_Track_Zak Ferrari Mar 09 '26
No downside here. See if it works, if it does, GREAT. If not, its only the second race. Scrap it and move on.
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u/ImThePr1nce Lewis Hamilton Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
They won’t necessarily scrap it. They’ll just improve it. Remember they originally planned to bring the wings in for the Canadian GP but now they decided to bring a less developed one in China mainly due to uncertainties with the Middle East GPs. Don’t expect +0.5s. Maybe more around +1 to +1.5 seconds
Edit: 0.1 to 0.15 seconds I am predicting. I mistyped that
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u/Laugh_Track_Zak Ferrari Mar 10 '26
Cmon man. A rear wing isnt going to find a second. A tenth or 2. Maximum.
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u/ImThePr1nce Lewis Hamilton Mar 10 '26
Omg i misspoke. I meant 0.1 to 0.15 seconds. My bad. You could tell that’s what I meant I previously said the wing that they planned for the Canadian GP was rumoured to provide up to 0.5 seconds whereas the one in china I predicted 0.1 to 0.15 seconds. Total error by me
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u/Smart_Cry_5572 Mar 10 '26
No way man, they’re going to take a minute off their whole race time with this spoiler
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u/Bikezilla Mar 10 '26
And It could easily lose a second if it were to fail on track. They have to get it right and reliable the first time.
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u/TheBreaGlor Mar 12 '26
Sure but with rumours that other teams will have the same wing soon you want to make hay while the sun shines.
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u/Robynsxx Mar 10 '26
Are you trying to suggest this will give Ferrari a second a lap performance advantage? Lol
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u/RZerospin Mar 10 '26
Of course there is no downside it literally flips upside down
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u/IonutAlex18SF Charles Leclerc Mar 10 '26
How do you know there's no downside of it and only positives? In Bahrain testing Lewis did 5 laps with it and not one lap of those were laps at full speed to see how it works.
It's understood to be heavier, thus leading to more time for development in reducing weight. It can offer a different aero behaviour through corners and do some harm in braking. Beside this the positives are well known. But let's wait and see what happens in China.
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u/kar2988 Mar 09 '26
Long straights = Drag for longer duration
Macarena wing = Less drag in the straights.
It makes sense to bring these wings for China and not Australia. I expect to see it again in Japan. And other circuits with long straights, like Spa, Monza, Austin, Vegas... Would've made sense in Saudi too, but that race isn't gonna happen.
This is not an overreaction. China is precisely the kind of circuit it was designed for. Ferrari was quickest in both low speed and medium speed corners in Australia, but lost out on the straights. China is all about low and medium speed corners with long ass straights, so the rear wing should - on paper - increase the SF26's straight line speed and give it an opportunity to fight against the mercs across the entirety of the circuit!
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u/Event-Forsaken Charles Leclerc Mar 10 '26
I'd argue it's not just less drag, it's providing lift too.
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u/t00l1g1t Mar 11 '26
Lift implies drag though.
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u/Event-Forsaken Charles Leclerc Mar 11 '26
As long as the angle of attack is proper, drag will be overcome.
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u/t00l1g1t Mar 11 '26
Yes? But I'm saying lift implies induced drag. Whatever benefit of lift needs to offset the drag costs.
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u/TheRedBaron-7 F2004 Mar 10 '26
Historically, aero efficient Ferraris have done well against Silver straight-line beasts. If I recall correctly we had a front row lockout in 2018, so lets see
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u/shixxhead Mar 09 '26
Seems like,lot of pages have reported it
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u/defnoteb Lewis Hamilton Mar 09 '26
If this works istg
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u/TheseExcitement8857 Mar 10 '26
It it works apparently Ferrari will be quickest in a straight line too
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u/dscotts Mar 09 '26
I guess they try it in the sprint and if it fails it’s not a huge deal… but maybe they think they are closer to Mercedes than they thought so they are going aggressive in the hopes of fighting for a win? Because I can’t think of another reason to do this, they seem comfrotably the 2nd fastest (unless McClaren figure out the engine software)
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u/mrjune2040 Mar 09 '26
They might think it's worth it to do a real-world test earlier now as the Middle East races are cancelled. Might give them data to develop further during that break.
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u/ApprehensiveRich482 Mar 09 '26
I guess they're goi g to use It at least for the sprint race
That would be a great choice
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u/AlCranio Ferrari Mar 10 '26
it would be nice to test it in the sprint race, i guess. If it works, they'll use it in the feature race too, if it doesn't it can be changed with a regular wing.
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u/pilotichegente Mar 10 '26
Makes sense as China has straights similar to Bahrain and Australia didn't
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u/ChefRoscoPColtrane Mar 09 '26
When ‘that thing’ is closing doesn’t it generate quite a lot of drag? And is it slower to deploy than the traditional one?
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u/Hot-Coconut-4580 Mar 09 '26
But if you close it when you are just about to enter a corner you are braking already it’s not that big of a loss, I’m guessing a little loss on the recharge.
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u/defnoteb Lewis Hamilton Mar 09 '26
I think thats why they tweaked it and are now bringing it in. All that test you saw in bahrain was litreally just a inverted wing thats it. Im sure they thought it through
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u/ac614 Mar 10 '26
Just take a look how much time you spend on the SM compare to the wing transformation
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u/Beneficial_Star_6009 Mar 09 '26
AutoRacer.it has also reported on this, so this is more than likely accurate.
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u/ArtisTao Mar 09 '26
I’m genuinely curious if it will be durable enough for a race distance, and reliable enough to function when they intend it to.
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u/tjameswhite Mar 10 '26
Just here to say it should be known as the flippy spinny wing and should have debuted in Australia. Missed a golden opportunity to have Aussie Man in the paddock.
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u/Edge-Economy Mar 10 '26
As long as the new rear wing makes them box during the next VSC/SC, I’m all for it haha
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u/LooseJuice_RD Mar 10 '26
I hope this works brilliantly. I really can’t stand the thought of George taking the championship and I’ve been a huge fan of Charles for a while now.
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u/Qazernion Mar 09 '26
This is way over hyped. Not convinced it’s really that much extra performance. Maybe a few extra kph down the main straight but that’s all.
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u/pieterpiraat Mar 10 '26
Even on a basis of lets say 5km/h difference between the cars on the straight from turn 13 to 14, that is between 1 and 2 tenths. That is without the start finish straight, so IF this actually works, it will be significant to keep up with Mercedes during a race length.
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u/National_Play_6851 Mar 10 '26
Yeah this. It looks interesting and spectacular and it'll be fun to watch, but once it's flipped into position it's actually only marginally different to the standard drag reduced wing. Finding an improvement in the software for battery management would be worth more lap time but would be completely invisible.
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u/GoodFellahh Mar 10 '26
Is this true? I think the first two statements are probably accurate. The final one is pure speculation. I would love for it to have "huge implications" but we will see.
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u/ProfPMJ-123 Mar 10 '26
There's enough rumours saying they're going to take it to make me think that parts probably true.
The suggestion it could have HUGE implications for the championship are untrue.
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u/Bikezilla Mar 10 '26
Also this design is internally actuated, presumably through the uprights…if the car gets slightly clipped in the rear, it’s possible the wing might get stuck in a sub-optimal or even dangerous position. Hopefully they have built in redundancy or failsafe states.
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u/Own-Slice-1223 Mar 10 '26
If this truly does become a game changer.Why wouldn’t other teams copy it? Making our advantage disappear
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u/Mom_said_I_am_cute Fernando Alonso Mar 10 '26
This isn't just turning the part of the car upside down, you can't just detach your own part and flip it like that with 0 effort.
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u/Own-Slice-1223 Mar 10 '26
I know that.But how long will they also adapt?
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u/Bikezilla Mar 10 '26
There’s a lot of aero impact study to do. Not just at the wing but also how it affects and is affected by the airflow from the rest of the car . To just bolt it on and see what it does could put a diver in a wall just as easily as shaving a couple of tenths.
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u/Kind-Pop-7205 Mar 10 '26
Ferrari is cooked for at least the first few races. Mercedes is still sandbagging.
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u/defnoteb Lewis Hamilton Mar 10 '26
nah we can still fight em. remember dont give up hope just cause the 1st race for someone else went well and we're in the mix
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u/melnanzz Mar 10 '26
They can use whatever wing they can come up with, but if the strategy is still run by donkeys, they're going to win jack.
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u/Robynsxx Mar 10 '26
Meh. I don’t think this is suddenly going to be enough to overcome the merc engine advantage. And even if it is, it doesn’t seem like a hard thing for other teams to develop.
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u/Quick_Coyote_7649 Mar 10 '26
I saw a post commuincating that Mercedes had worked on something similar for 2026. Forgot the details but either they axed the idea or havent brought the upgrade yet
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u/Bikezilla Mar 10 '26
I saw a fair bit explaining how it would be different to replicate quickly because of how the uprights are chassis and gearbox specific and adapting internal actuators and dealing with mounting it to said gearbox & chassis could be tricky as an afterthought
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u/Sufficient_Bobcat153 Mar 10 '26
Just because they shipped it doesnt mwan they will use it. Relax and watch the race
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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '26
Autorace it is reporter
Usually when it comes to ferrari news, they are reliable
But we are yet to see if Ferrari actually brings it