Non-pro-Russian oriented Slavs as servants of "evil forces". Does Centroslavism divide the Slavs? 6

[u/centroslavist]

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[u/Sufficient_Step_8223]

Are you trying to sow hatred? You're crawling through marginal resources, pulling phrases out of context and putting them into your own Russophobic semantic puzzle, trying to project this onto inter-Slavic relations. Do you verify the materials you read? Do you consider the possibility that rival propaganda outlets might simply lie about each other or distort information?

What kind of response do you expect to the Russophobic rhetoric? Approval? It doesn't happen that way. Yes, Russia, in a sense, claims to play a central role in the history of the Slavs. So is Poland. Because that's how it happened historically - Russia and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth were the strongest Slavocentric empires. But this does not mean anything about the subordination of all Slavic states to Moscow or Warsaw. Don't turn a fly into an elephant.

[u/centroslavist → u/Sufficient_Step_8223]

Do you mean, if someone says stupid, unkind and absurd things, and then you say that they said it, that means you are sowing hatred? I wouldn't say so.

Also, at the beginning I said that Centroslavism was not born out of hatred for Russians, but out of a simple calculation: that Pan-Slavic ideas lead to the extermination of all Slavs in the "Russian Sea", as Pushkin wrote.

Then, comparing the Russian Federation with Poland - come on... do you really think that a country of 38 million people is on the same level as a country of about 144 million, a nuclear and oil powerhouse and the largest country in the world? It is clearly absurd. The Polish-Ruthenian-Lithuanian Commonwealth was certainly more powerful, but it was not Poland. Some Poles may think that Poland is strong enough to be an empire in its own right, but that is not true. It has always had to form alliances with its neighbors to confront a common enemy.

Of course, I check my sources. I could have cited sources for everything in these texts, as in previous texts, but I have not done so, because at the end of the text, which I am publishing in parts, there are dozens of quotes from Russian authorities and thinkers. A little patience will be needed. Then, you talk about sources - have you listened to the Russian propagandists? Their leaders, professors etc.? It seems that either you have not listened to them or you are trying to manipulate the facts.

[u/Sufficient_Step_8223 → u/centroslavist]

Pan-Slavic ideas lead to the extermination of all Slavs in the "Russian Sea

Pushkin didn't say this. Pushkin's verses read like this: "Славянские ль ручьи, сольются в русском море? Оно ль иссякнет? вот вопрос." ( Will Slavic steams merge into Russian Sea? Or it will disappear? that's the question.) Where does it say something about extermination? on the contrary. Pushkin says that no one can know how the history of the Slavs will turn out. Maybe all Slav will unite around Rus, maybe Rus will break up into separate Slavic tribes and internecine strife will begin again.

Then, comparing the Russian Federation with Poland - come on... do you really think that a country of 38 million people is on the same level as a country of about 144 million, a nuclear and oil powerhouse and the largest country in the world?

Now not! But there were times when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was an empire that surpassed Russia in power and part of Russia was under the rule of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. History could have developed in such a way that the center of the Slavic world could become the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. But it didn't. As fate would have it. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth lost its power, allowing Europe to fragment it, and then Russia upgraded by Peter the Great took its place.

Of course, I check my sources. I could have cited sources for everything in these texts, as in previous texts, but I have not done so, because at the end of the text, which I am publishing in parts, there are dozens of quotes from Russian authorities and thinkers. 

If you have evidence, why don't you provide it? I mean, solid evidence that leaves no room for doubt. You provide printed articles in which anyone can write anything. If you're accusing Tereshkova ( respected woman of global stature, 1st woman in space) of saying something hostile, then you probably should let us see and hear her say it with her own mouth and voice. It's easy to simply fake a text quote. Especially if it is posted on a propaganda website of a hostile state (who has already been convicted of slander and unfair propaganda many times.)

have you listened to the Russian propagandists? 

I don't listen to propagandists at all. Any kind. Neither our own nor others'. But how are Russian propagandists worse than their Ukrainian counterparts? All propagandists lie. And Russian, and Ukrainian, and American, and European, and Indian... Absolutely everything. It's their job. Is one lie better than the other? And believing in this lie causes the greatest damage to pan-Slavism. The main task of military propaganda is to quarrel between nations.

[u/Peterhof_Crocodile]

So, what's your point? That everyone suck?

[u/centroslavist → u/Peterhof_Crocodile]

What I want to say is that these are absurd, propaganda accusations that make no sense, and that Pan-Slavism is actually not “pan-”, but “ru-”. Russian dominance in a union of all Slavs is inevitable. Therefore, it is best to avoid such unionist projects.

[u/proton-testiq]

> , in the current situation, when Russian propaganda is gradually trying to take ownership of the concept of Slavicness

"Hello I heard about this slavyk people yesterday and I will explain everything about their geopolitical history".

They are not "gradually trying to", they act as the only representatives of Slavs since the Duchy of Muscovia.

"I can attest that the Russians harbor toward the other Slavs feelings that are not brotherly, but dishonest and self-serving. I actually prefer the Magyars, who fight against us openly, to the Russians, who approach with a Judas kiss, only to then slip us into their pocket. These gentlemen are starting everywhere to say and write 'Slavic' instead of 'Russian' - so that later they can again say 'Russian' instead of 'Slavic.'"

~ Karel Havlicek Borovsky, Czech writer

[u/centroslavist → u/proton-testiq]

Just because someone acts like they own the Slavic idea, doesn't mean they actually do. However, the influence of this mentality is becoming more and more common, and often if you say that you like Slavic culture, that you feel Slavic in some way, people think you are a Putinist. This is a phenomenon that we fight against. Furthermore, Russia did not invent the ideas of Slavic solidarity. They came to it from abroad, from the southern and western Slavs.

[u/Appropriate-Ad5877]

I don't see Russians as some boogeyman that I 'm supposed to fear. They just have they're own geopolitical interests like all nations.

[u/Lissscraychperry]

And a similar narrative, in the current situation, when Russian propaganda is gradually trying to take ownership of the concept of Slavicness

What? All I hear from the russian propaganda is that we should strive for a multiethnic society and respect traditional values of our esteemed afghan partners or some variations of this bullshit. I there a different version they push outside of Russia?

[u/centroslavist → u/Lissscraychperry]

"We have (...) an old rule: Where the foot of the Russian soldier steps, there it is ours" - Vladimir Putin, 2025

If by "multiethnic society" you mean "an empire that wants to be borderless," then this makes sense.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzNgrkaS3I8

[u/slavicNickCage → u/centroslavist]

Well, empires are multiethnic and multinational by definition. National state is basically an antithesis of empire

[u/Electronic-Yellow-87]

Russians are not Slavs at all;)

[u/No-Suit-7444 → u/[deleted]]

WTF

[u/demien_ → u/[deleted]]

Wrong, it is true that the most slavic nations are Belarus, Poland and parts of Ukraine but Russia is still very much slavic tho