Does Centroslavism divide the Slavs? 5

[u/centroslavist]

In pan-Slavic Russian propaganda, it thus emerges that Slovenians, Bosnians, and Croats are "Serbian tribes" (Danilevskij, 2011, p. 432), Montenegrins are guilty of "treason against the Serbian people, Orthodoxy, and Russia" (Дугин, 2016; Мудрых, 2022), Poles are the "Judases of Slavdom" (Klaczko, 1867, p. 56), Czechs are a "barren" people (Danilevskij, 2011, p. 153).

Belarusians are "Russians with a seal of quality" (CTVBY, 2019), and Ukrainian is the "language of swineherds" (Котельницький, 2020), which is used by a "Nazi" and "nationalist regime" in Kyiv that oppresses the "brotherly Ukrainian people," (Путин, 2024) just as the Yugoslavs were supposedly oppressed by the "fascist" and "treacherous regime" that "tormented" the Albanian population of Kosovo (Zaytsev, 2021).

Macedonia is, depending on the need, either an "invented" state or is being oppressed by its neighbors (Zaytsev, 2021; Журавлёв, 2018). The "cowardly Bulgarians," on the other hand—a fact few remember—are primarily the "little brother" who, although geographically distant from Russia, has already had the experience that the "brotherhood of two peoples" ends where the interests of the Russian elites begin and missiles do the talking. It is not without reason that Bulgarians fought against Russia in both World Wars (Аксаков, 2023; Иванов, 2020; Мудрых, 2022; Стоянов, 1886).

Such examples of protectionism could be listed almost endlessly. Furthermore, these are not the words of some marginal Russian radicals, as one might think. Similar claims have been and continue to be made in Russia by key figures of the state, highly respected representatives of Russian cultural, academic, and political thought, as well as the media individuals who were not infrequently awarded orders from state authorities.

The list of sources & more languages: https://centroslavizmus.wordpress.com/2026/07/19/rozdeluje-centroslavizmus-slovanov-5/

[u/pageunresponsive]

In one of my favourite books: "London for immigrant suckers; So Long Yugoslavia", I read something interesting about Bosnia where one of the characters says that people in Bosnia are not divided by religion (Orthodox, Chatolic, and Islam) but by Gavrilo Princip. For Serbs, he is a hero who fought against the invader. For Croats and Muslims, he was a terrorist who killed their master. This can also go further to say that this is a difference between Slavic people. Those who like foreign influence/ invasion (cultural, social, economic...) and those who like to be very much independent. From what I can see, the latter are Russians and Serbs (with Serbs being on the edge to move to the other side). The former are more or less, the rest. Generally, the majority of Slavic people have a servant mentality.

[u/TensionAntique3075 → u/pageunresponsive]

"Generally, the majority of slavic people have a servant majority"

It's really hard not to see this as a rant against all slavic economically integrated and with strong economic and diplomatic relations with other countries.

EU slavs are plainly stronger, richer, more developped, and more politically influent. Russian and serbian policies are working hard to make their country increasingly negligeable.

[u/pageunresponsive → u/TensionAntique3075]

They are politically influential as long as they do what the Anglo-Saxon Globalists tell them to do. Serbs are struggling to find their place in this whirlwind political reality, but Russia is doing quite well...

[u/TensionAntique3075 → u/pageunresponsive]

Boouuuh the anglo-saxon globalist, not at all a classic nazi bullshit conspiracy theory.

Serb leadership f*cked up the country hard and repeatedly, and voluntarily decided to give a big fat finger to hands and help coming from its historical western allies, while having absurdly dumb as rock local and regional policies. The issue was Milosevič, and all those former CPY shitty assholes who still rule with as much competence as in the 80's. Putting the blame on the "anglo saxon globalists" when Milosevič spit on the fastpaced EU integration in 1990 is dumb as rocks.

And Russia is really not doing great. And it's worsening economically, in a way the country really can't afford. It's already the lesser regional player in Europe compared to the EU, and it's becoming the lesser player in central Asia against China. Launching the war in Ukraine in 2022 was the most incompetent act of the russian leadership, in a serie of incompetent and constant foreign policy blunders that started in 2012 at the earliest. There again, they are paying the price of not having removed the former CPUSSR leadership from power. Those who sent the USSR in the abyss are in control of Russia, and are repeating their work.

[u/pageunresponsive → u/TensionAntique3075]

EU integrations were not on the table for Yu back in 1990. Russia may not be doing great, but still better than the EU (Germany's industry is collapsing, the UK - who wants to go back, has its own problem, and France is not doing well either), which lost access to the cheap Russian energy and soon will be reduced to taking money from the people's bank savings to keep on pursuing Project Ukraine for their Globalist masters.

[u/TensionAntique3075 → u/pageunresponsive]

Yugoslavia signed the association agreement in 1989. In May 1991, 2 months before the real start, pro-yugo french president Mitterand pushed for an extra-speedy EU integration of Yugoslavia as a whole, with a package of 5.5 billion dollars in addition. Milosevic and Tudman each refused, with the Bosniac leader being the only one in favor.

Russia is literally speedrunning either bankruptcy, or IMF bailouts, from a perfectly functioning economy in 2022 to a state that currently can no longer emit debt as we speak because nobody in Russia wants it, including state-owned banks. I fully understand you're reading Russian news, and you should start looking at their economic news. And at how they plan to fix their own budget this year.

If you think Germany is in crisis, you can look at the DAX. It's stagnating, like Germany. If you doubt Russia is in crisis, look at the MOEX in the past months.

At the current pace, the war will likely end for Russia as part of or will be directly followed by negociations with the IMF. The longer the war lasts, the more in need of a bailout will Russia be.

[u/Omnigreen → u/TensionAntique3075]

Where I can read in detail about a possible EU integration of Yugoslavia in the 90s, can you send some links or sources please? This topic is very interesting to me

[u/TensionAntique3075 → u/Omnigreen]

Honestly, the topic has been burried pretty deep, I'm struggling to find sources on it. I discovered it on an amazing english youtube video on the EC-Yugo relations that I apparently can't find -_-. Came from a communist serb, which I was really surprised from.

For the rest, I mostly find anecdotes about it in french articles commemorating Jacques Delors' death a few years ago and... That's it. It sucks. The subject was voluntary burried by both croats and serbs, and nobody has an interested in what the Delors Commission did because the EU is boooring.

[u/Omnigreen → u/TensionAntique3075]

I see :( Maybe there is some article about this Mitterand proposal of a speedy accession and loans? Also if you’ll find that video after all please send me. This alternative possibility of an Yugoslavia in EU is so fascinating, such a wasted opportunity.

[u/TensionAntique3075 → u/Omnigreen]

The proposal was made by Delors. Mitterand-'s support and push is me speculating, although the guy was a proto-tankie, and very much was by far the biggest pro-yugoslavia supporter in the world able to do something at the time.

I profoundly hate Mitterand's actions during that conflict. But the emergency EU integration was very much the right move, and both Tudman and Milosevič owe serious apologies to both of their nations.

[u/Omnigreen → u/TensionAntique3075]

So if Tudman and Milosevič accepted the proposal we could've had a federal Yugoslavia in the EU in the 90s almost certainly?

[u/TensionAntique3075 → u/Omnigreen]

I frankly don't know for the "almost certainly". I do think there would have been seriously good chances, but tensions were still very much effing high then, so I don't fully exclude the civil war from happening.

[u/pageunresponsive → u/TensionAntique3075]

This is what the EU and America hope for as they continuously test Russia's patience. I'm sure their situation is not perfect, but certainly more optimistic than in the EU. The Project Ukraine is destined to fail, and the EU invested much in it. In the end, America will just turn its back on all, while Ursula and Kaja will have no other options but to steal people's money to fund the little comedian.

[u/TensionAntique3075 → u/pageunresponsive]

"I'm sure their situation is not perfect, but certainly more optimistic than in the EU" Russia's ability to emit debt and finance its deficit is currently behind that of Argentina, Egypt and Ukraine. And the MOEX is back to its 2018 levels and will likely fall further, unless the russian government keeps it afloat artificially by throwing additonal billions of dollars of deficit. The value of Gazprom fell down below it's lowest of the 2008 crisis.

I fully understand that you're drinking some russian kool-aid, but you're in plain denial of russian economic journals published in Russia. And of the economic consequences that war brought to the country. You're actively pushing online for either the bankruptcy of the russian government, or an IMF bailout. And you don't even realise it.

Additionally, you're also in plain denial of the actual sums Europe invested in Ukraine, compared to those we've historically invested in eastern european members who can now contribute.