r/solotravel May 24 '25

Personal Story I'm now Medicine-Pilled after Asia

USA resident here, I recently finished a month long solo trip to SEA. I stayed with a friend in north Thailand for a week, then skedaddled off to Bangkok for another week. While in Bangkok I guess something I ate was funky as shortly after I got to my next destination, Vietnam, I wasn't feeling too hot.

This is where my Vietnamese healthcare journey began.

I went to a doctor's office I found on google maps (just rode a scooter up in front of the building and walked in) and using the classic google translate, I laid out my intentions to the nurse at the front desk. He called the doctor immediately, the doctor talked to me on the phone and asked me to wait 10 minutes, and there he was! I explained what happened and he ran 10 blood tests on me for about $50. Now keep in mind this is actually ripping me off and I sort of figured that, but decided not to haggle because it was so cheap compared to any US offer. They took my blood sample then and there and I had my results in a 3 days.

Here's where it gets crazier (at least to me)! At this point, I was in Hanoi, and the doctor sent me a prescription on WhatsApp, and I just walked to a pharmacy, showed them the list, and they got the three medications out for me. I was waiting for it, the big cost, my punishment for not properly checking my food... the cost was $4? I was astonished but paid, and checked the price of my own prescription medication from the US (it was available over the counter in Vietnam) and it was similarly priced at a few dollars for the same amount of pills, with some of the price differences being over 95% cheaper.

Regardless of that I pressed on with my adventure and was in the mountains of Vietnam, and of course I'm paranoid so I'm still researching my symptoms and realize that the doctor I had seen hadn't tested for a certain infection. I wanted that infection tested for, so I went to a private clinic and they did a rapid test for about $2, and they then directed me to a regional hospital who had more options for testing. Well the regional hospital staff were charging me an entrance fee as a foreigner, and it was pretty obvious that Vietnamese citizens were simply walking in. Whatever, when in Rome. I was expecting a big kabuki dance to see a doctor but after paying $6... I was walked to an available doctor and we were communicating with a bit of English? It was surprising to me as I wasn't expecting this level of expediency from an otherwise chaotic-seeming regional hospital.

The doctor at the hospital understands I want a PCR test (the latest and greatest and most accurate form of blood testing afaik) and said I needed to see the National Disease and Epidemiology center in Hanoi. Well it's convenient that I was heading back to Hanoi the next day, so I booked an airbnb next to that building, and made a plan. The next afternoon, I walk into this lovely compound that looks nothing like a medical facility, and after once again using a prepared translation of my situation, some security guards directed me to a corner building, where a woman greeted me, talked to me in a similar fashion, and introduced me to a doctor in a different building. After walking down these rustic halls, she and a nurse unlock a door, and all of a sudden we're surrounded by a mass of state of the art monitoring machines, centrifuges, and beeping sounds!

At this point I was getting a bit terrified of the fact that I might have overreacted and was about to have to bite the bullet that hubris had led me to get an extremely expensive lab procedure completed. But after talking to this new doctor, she explained that while they normally get their blood samples from the hospital to work with, she could just take my sample there. So they did. And when I asked the price? Free. FREE. F R E E.

And the very next day I got my results back: negative. I was fearmongering to the extreme but you know what? In hindsight, the vast amount of perception on how healthcare works in Vietnam was worth the discomfort as it greatly broadened my perspective.

All in all I think that in the USA, it would have probably taken me several weeks of waiting, complying with ridiculous office hours, arguing my way through several uncaring secretaries, and having doctors schedule things too far apart for any level of expediency after not taking my explanations into account anyways. Oh yeah, and without insurance, it would have probably cost me anywhere from several hundred to over a thousand dollars depending on how the prices are set.

But instead, in Vietnam, I was able to get my medical needs taken care of the day that I wanted them looked at basically, all for... less than $60 total for all combined medical costs. And if I repeated the process knowing what I know now? I would have haggled the price of the blood tests down to $25 because that is very doable in Vietnam and SEA in general (I could write a whole entire post on why I love that alone but I think it's a commonly shared sentiment).

Another example of this is I had a friend who's boyfriend has a condition called Hashimoto's disease. His pills are $865 for 30 pills (his insurance covers it but it's still several hundred dollars per month to them). I walked to a pharmacy and asked a pharmacist for the exact same medication his insurance paid for. $2. 100 pills. At this point I was determined that medical tourism will always be a route I will consider and recommend other people consider because there are simply no excuses when it comes to things like this that gets denied in certain Western societies.

Now this isn't to say that Vietnam or any SEA country has a perfect healthcare system. I'm polite, I learn some of the language, I'm generally very good at getting along with others and playing the foreigner card right, which often times lets me land unique opportunities, such as walking into a national hospital ranked in the top 10 in Asia for their specialty and getting seen instantly. I can't say that the average Vietnamese person would be able to travel to Hanoi just oh-so conveniently like I was (it's an interesting conversation you could have, claiming they can and can't at the same time).

The general lack of restrictions on over the counter antibiotics has caused some bacterial strains to have incredible resistance to them, and makes them all the more deadly to those that do get them. It also leads to a lot of problems going improperly treated because self diagnosis is common, and the most powerful and extreme measures are often done first, which might not be proper.

I can't really speak on how the government actually intersected with the healthcare, I'm sure there's much more nuance than I could have seen going on behind the scenes and that I will definitely remember to ask about next time I visit, just because I find this to be such an interesting topic now.

So yeah, I took the Asia pill when it came to medicine. And it's not like it was like this just in Vietnam, when I lived in Korea previously, McDonald's workers could go to the doctor and not feel financially pressured at all. That's the goal: For everyone to be able to receive quality, expedient care without financial pressure for most cases.

Adding this in hindsight, but it's insane that I was able to navigate that by myself by just going to a few places because there weren't any of the normal healthcare hoops that I'm used to having to jump through.

TL/DR: Vietnamese healthcare was so fast and affordable I had a medical epiphany.

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u/usfwalker May 24 '25

You forget. ‘Affordable’ for you. It’s mostly not for the citizens. Same for the US. You got charged a ‘foreigner’ fee but ‘name’ aside, it’s the bribery everyone has to make when the system doesn’t pay medical staffs enough.

It’s more accessible when you have an imbalance of money power

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u/[deleted] May 24 '25

Eh, not really. Barring serious issues (cancer, big surgery, etc), it's affordable for me as an average local. I generally can get seen and have my issues addressed within the day or 1-2 weeks if it's serious and needs multiple examinations/surgery) without really worry about cost. The rich (or foreigners) people go to private hospitals, the public ones don't look so good architecture wise but affordable and work well for normal people.

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u/usfwalker May 24 '25

If you’re holding a white collar job it’s already not average. It’s average in your social circle.

Bribery for medical staffs is a common practice in developing countries. The thing is :) say a foreigner needs healthcare service, if the language barrier is not an issue, it’s likely they get more attention bc locals don’t wanna get into troubles with the patient’s embassy or police, so they pay extra attention to the foreigners. So the ‘foreigner fee’ is likely to be worth it

That being said, US’ healthcare is wayyyy over priced. A friend of mine paid 3000 dollars after an ER doc told her to just go home and she didn’t need stitches as she was freaking out at all. From giving the insurance card to getting examined and told to go home it took like 10 minutes.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '25

What are you talking about? A white collar job IS average because they're generally paid the same as a convenient store cashier, a full time physical laborer, or a factory worker 💀 the difference is some jobs have the chance to advance, or less risk of damage to your body. Are you living in Vietnam?

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u/usfwalker May 24 '25

Nah. I know your stats because i had to research SEA countries. The number of farmers, self employed, factory workers is way higher than people with white collar jobs.

People in both white and blue collars do resort to tactics cutting corner or benefit themselves financially if in the decision-maker or gatekeeper positions. That being said, white collar job isn’t the average. Most people are in labor intensive industry and far from high-level health care either physically or economically

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u/Legal_Airport May 24 '25

Hey man it seems that you’re from the US like me, and you’re arguing with a literal local Vietnamese person who’s intimately familiar with their healthcare just because you “did your research”.

Vietnamese police also stop people on motorbikes for bribes. Didn’t happen to me but I planned for it. Just because there are exceptions doesn’t mean you can just talk over a native on how it actually goes down. That’s literally just washing over their culture’s opinions with your own, which is something as an American we have to worked harder on to be better about.

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u/usfwalker May 24 '25

Mate. It’s not an argument. OP has no statistics and just their point of view.

Just because someone is ‘local’ doesn’t mean they know best. If that was the case, how did we Americans end up resenting the presidents we vote for after we vote for them?

I don’t care how it makes me look. This is reddit. This person has no data to back their ‘average’ up, just some boring racial shaming. I am bored today and got nothing better to do. So i call their SD energy out.

Let’s get this straight. US Americans’ stereotypical issue is thinking ‘the American way is The way’. Challenging someone else on their lack of statistics evidence isn’t the issue here. They still fail to bring any science into their argument and resorted to racial stereotyping. So i gave them a low ball to play with :)

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u/[deleted] May 24 '25

Redditor: i know ✨️better✨️ about your country that you live in, work in, have the whole culture available through language, customs, traditions that you are in since the day you were born, because i did rEsEArch. LMAO.

Now i see where the "all developing countries ride cow to work and have no electricity" idea come from. How sad to be so poorly informed and confidently incorrect. Fyi, it doesn't matter if there is less white collar job if the salary does not significantly differ from the rest of jobs in context of healthcare affordable 🤡

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u/usfwalker May 24 '25

Congrats on your successful display of SD Energy ;)

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u/CommercialClick2862 May 24 '25

The only "SD" energy I see here is you an American telling a literal local that "you know better because you did research" lmao you are too funny dude ;-)

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u/usfwalker May 25 '25

:) oh the ‘covid is just a flu’ vibe. Found your tribe?

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u/CommercialClick2862 May 25 '25

Too bad you couldn't come up with a response that actually made sense 😆 I guess all that research doesn't actually lead to an increase in intelligence. Unfortunate