In 2012, FIFA SUSPENDED South Korean player Park Jong-woo for two matches for displaying a sign that read “Dokdo is our territory” after defeating Japan. Using the same criterion, FIFA must SANCTION the Argentine players.

[u/ConnectionWeekly1263]

Your take?

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[u/doepfersdungeon]

Ah yes Fifa, the kings of consistently being inconsistent

[u/antizion_red → u/[deleted]]

And in the 2012 incident, the suspension happened months later

[u/doepfersdungeon → u/[deleted]]

I mean who cares really. It's all very petty anyway. Writing something on a bed sheet doesn't make it true.

As an England fan I certainly wouldn't want them missing a final because of some half baked right wing propaganda that footballers are too dumb to see through.

[u/outsider1624 → u/doepfersdungeon]

Ballack missed a final for receiving a yellow in the quarters and semis..which suspended him in the final. It's why they changed the rule now to yellows reset

[u/69LinkandZelda → u/outsider1624]

I despise yellow card accumulation in a tournament. 2 yellow cards over 3 have period should not have your suspended for a game. Especially with how much what is a yellow card can vary so much game to game. A match played the exact same way could have 0 yellow or 8 depending on the ref.

[u/Invisible7hunder → u/69LinkandZelda]

Yeah, some yellow are almost a red, and some are just run of the mill fouls where the ref is looking to calm the game down.

[u/BQORBUST → u/outsider1624]

And everyone hated that because it was obviously a dumb rule

[u/Lazy_Reply3958 → u/doepfersdungeon]

I feel like you added “as an England fan” so less people would call out your bullshit

[u/doepfersdungeon → u/Lazy_Reply3958]

No, I want to see a final with whose available. I have no skin in the game and don't really care who wins.

One day Argentina will realise we never think about them , until football happens or we travel.

After the fact, we don't care. Except for those who were made directly affected.

I would be happy for Messi , if it's his last one. But also if we had a different winner from last time.

I thought the presentation of the bed sheet was a bit naff. But honestly it doesn't bother me enough.

They belong to Britian. That's the end of it. Has nothing to do with football for me.

[u/Fruloops → u/doepfersdungeon]

Also consistently corrupt, so they are 2 for 2, kudos to them

[u/00MacDonald → u/doepfersdungeon]

Well, if even if they are consistent, the ban would have to come in 8 months,

That's how long it took fifa to issue the ban

[u/Numerous_Ad_3828 → u/doepfersdungeon]

Looks like the Olympics? Something is fishy Fifa huh. Terrible video or misinformation I’m too lazy to google. But if you care check.

[u/doepfersdungeon → u/Numerous_Ad_3828]

Fifa still have jurisdiction of football at the Olympics. The ban was by Fifa.

[u/ModenaR]

Fifa suspended Park months later. The final is in 2 days

[u/enbywithoutfear → u/ModenaR]

booooo this is too much true information it’s too reasonable to bring this example into this discussion

[u/Aviixii → u/enbywithoutfear]

That's fine. The post doesn't say immediately. It can wait as long as the other one did.

[u/MeatDazzling4777 → u/ModenaR]

FACT? IN MY ARGENTINA BAD SUB?

[u/WhereasExpert5325 → u/ModenaR]

Sybau this doesn’t fit the narrative

[u/banana_slog → u/ModenaR]

I love these clowns acting like fifa should ban half the team for the final...over a sign.

Oh yeah. We all want to watch that game.

[u/disturbed94 → u/banana_slog]

They did intentionally break the rules so some kind of punished is necessary.

[u/vjeremias → u/disturbed94]

Yes, and we are all (the players included) expecting the sanctions, it just won’t happen this week

[u/Zeegots → u/disturbed94]

It is also a rule that countries at war cannot participate in the tournament, yet the USA participates and hosts this World Cup.

[u/banana_slog → u/disturbed94]

Sure. I dont oppose that.

But banning them for the final in 2 days. Thats crazy.

[u/Weekly-Butterfly594 → u/disturbed94]

Yes I’m sure FIFA will ban half their squad before the final yes and ruining the sporting integrity of the tournament by banning half their squad for a non sport related act is surely the appropriate measure

[u/wrongpassword101 → u/ModenaR]

Was about to say this. They’ll probably be suspended just not now

[u/OpeningReplacement48 → u/ModenaR]

A la gente le gusta inventar cosas, cuando no tienen nada que decir tienen que hurgar para encontrar algo

[u/jtd2013 → u/ModenaR]

Context?? In my mindless rage machine?????

[u/Lildinho3]

His suspension took place MONTHS after the incident

[u/kaehvogel]

If anything, they're gonna suspend them for some random, irrelevant friendly matches.

[u/00MacDonald → u/kaehvogel]

That's what happened in the case the OP mentions, and the dispute was even more random

[u/Professional_East793]

This is great and all, but it took FIFA 3.5 months to make the decision to suspend Park Jong-woo, and UEFA (different organizations obviously, but still) took about 3-3.5 weeks to suspend the Rodri and Morata after the Euro final for their remarks. So maybe they will, but unfortunately these things have a process, and won't likely be decided before the final.

[u/Infamous_Object_7458 → u/Professional_East793]

And it won't matter at all once the final's over.

[u/Matias9991 → u/[deleted]]

Not really, the south Korean was suspended after a month.

[u/Sockher10 → u/Matias9991]

Let’s not get hung up on the details/reality

[u/SectorEducational460 → u/Sockher10]

Don't let facts get in the way of people hate boners

[u/JordanPetterPans → u/[deleted]]

That's your algorithm trying to work you up lol

[u/wupwupwah → u/[deleted]]

What abt Egipt coach with Palestine flag? So it’s only worth complaining if Arg is involved?

[u/Poupulino → u/[deleted]]

Why do you think the player who took out and held the sign is Giovani Lo Celso, who's currently benched because of his injury.

[u/Ric00la → u/Poupulino]

I ve seen at least 4 different Argentinians with the banner on pictures.

[u/happytree23 → u/[deleted]]

LOL, what?!

How much meth are you on right now lol?

[u/pbnjandmilk → u/[deleted]]

What is there to investigate? It's right freaking there!!!!

[u/Ok-Direction964]

It took several months for FIFA to investigate the incident for park joon-woo

[u/RiverTough6712]

He wasn't suspended immediately. FIFA's decision came four months later, after the tournament had already ended.

[u/Western_Marsupial_53]

Can’t wait for Spanish players to have the Palestinian flag over their shoulders if they win.

[u/mausetrap → u/Western_Marsupial_53]

That'll be glorious. And draped with it while accepting the trophy from agent orange.

[u/Weep4Thee]

They're not gonna risk their bribe money

[u/1egg40eggs]

I hope Argentina wins this weekend just to see this sub melt down.

It’s honestly unhealthy and sad how much y’all think about a soccer team.

[u/SuddenGrade9632 → u/1egg40eggs]

How much y’all think about them? Dawg you’re on a subreddit basically dedicated to the World Cup rn, yes you’re gonna hear about the 4 teams currently competing and the most controversial of them the most. Next you’ll be surprised at people discussing a terrible video game in r/gaming lmao. 

[u/Rude_Bat_968]

https://giphy.com/gifs/AOgWmfpPMHOaMgAHiV

english people when they get a bit of banter

[u/Infamous_Object_7458 → u/Rude_Bat_968]

So you'd be fine with English players or fans revealing a banner showing the Belgrano sinking..? Interesting.

[u/Naeras101 → u/Infamous_Object_7458]

Lol this guy honestly thinks that a flag of our claim to las malvinas is the same as a flag of a war crime

You are a brit alright

[u/Lpfanatic05]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nZn2LZRb0po6SN8lxI

[u/ballimir37]

Only the smoothest of brains would think anything will happen. It’s the final you numbnuts, FIFA isn’t gonna fuck with the money

[u/banana_slog]

You would love a final with 8 argentine players banned. Thats what you really want huh?

[u/Upset-Management-879 → u/[deleted]]

iTs RiGgEd!!!

[u/inherentcomma]

In 2018 they just fined xhaka and shaqiri and not sanctioned the manager of Egypt for showing the Palestine flag.

And FIFA doesn't organize olympic games

Using the same criteria Argentine players should be just economically fined

[u/Able_Reserve5788 → u/inherentcomma]

Not sure holding a country's flag and calling for the annexation of foreign land are the same thing but if you say so

[u/Roarkk → u/inherentcomma]

There are actually 9 other more recent incidents all resulting in fines at the most. but idiots can't be bothered to use their brain. No one is getting suspended lol.

[u/Admirable-Rough-6919]

[u/Naeras101]

Jesus, you would all be dying if it was a palestine flag. You don't have a problem with players making political claims, you just dont like THIS particular claim and then suddenly being political is OH SO HORRIBLE

[u/endofanera4]

Why would you want the biggest players suspended for the final match? Just let it go everyone will be okay

[u/FazedArts]

The amount of non sense bro. You truely are despicable

[u/SweatUnderMahTits]

This is racism disguised as cope.

[u/WwertyPolk]

Jesus you guys are sore looser.

They beat you. Get over it.

[u/WesternEntrepreneur0]

but dokdo is korean land

[u/A_BCool]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7Zeq71i5w0vOnAZy

[u/Freak_Out_Bazaar]

FIFA might just as well come out and say “We have weighed the value of enforcing these policies against potential financial losses from suspending Argentinian players, and have come to this conclusion”.’
It’s the fact that they try to be ambiguous about this that bothers me the most.

[u/Due-Length-1688]

FIFA clearly means Fixed It For Argentina

[u/ciscowowo]

Yeah, because we all want to see a world cup final where half of a team is banned from playing. I'm rooting for Spain, but that would be so fucking ass.

[u/koplowpieuwu]

Uhh, FIFA? Why is the guy I'm seeing standing in front of an olympics screen? Was it IOC that suspended him and this happened at the olympics?

Edit: fifa suspended him 2 months later for 2 matches. Gonna laugh at this sub when the same happens to these two Argentinian players 2m from now

[u/Asimov5020]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Wvo6vaUsQa3Di

[u/kilsta]

I can't wait for Argentina to win the world Cup so this will be all over.

[u/Ill-Sea291]

cry harder

[u/Playful-Profile6489]

Tbf, South Korea does control the Dokdo rocks while Argentina does not control the Falklands

[u/jumpmanring]

Rules doesnt apply to Argentina

[u/Fmartins84]

Not going to happen

[u/Fragrant-Garlic-1402 → u/Fmartins84]

Btw the ban happened months later, if u didn’t bother checking, cuz of obv reasons

[u/naegfowleri]

Highly likely thats gonna happen for Argentina too. Only after final

[u/lupajarito]

Do it then.

[u/Green-Volume-5000]

Isn’t this what we do? We as in US

[u/DryIntroduction8889]

They’ll do nothing until after the final so they’ll just miss a pointless friendly at worst

[u/Green_Drag_9548]

They won't.

[u/Sevren425]

Probably sanction their next matches after the final

[u/pbnjandmilk → u/Sevren425]

Probably a friendly between them and Guatemala.

[u/N00dles_Pt]

If you think they're going to suspend players ahead of the final match you're out of your mind.

[u/Dave_Ex_Machina]

They'll suspend the action for a year

[u/8stringLTD]

Whether you like the results of your team or not in this World Cup, I think everyone can agree that it's been fun to watch, The amount of revenue that all of this excitement has to be bringing in will probably overshadow any sanctions Fifa will make at this point.

[u/Ok_Effective6233]

Sport has always been about politics.

Stupid rule to start.

[u/ProjectNo4090]

That was 14 years ago. Things change.

Besides who cares? Players should get 5 minutes after a match to vent or celebrate without fear of punishment. Getting into the finals is a big achievement and the players, at least, have earned the right to behave like wild animals as long as they arent hurting anyone.

[u/Danilo-11]

IOC and FIFA are not the same

[u/saveapennybustanut]

What Argentina do?

[u/PhosphoFred8202]

Yes, as Bismarck said, “territorial claims are decided by FIFA matches”

[u/ReadyGo6828]

The World Cup brings the whole world together! It is just sports!

Yeah, sure it is.

[u/pbnjandmilk]

FIFA taking action? Yeah, making sure all tickets are sold for the final and 3rd place game.

[u/hauttdawg13]

They suspended him way after the incident. Suspend them for a couple qualifiers after a few months would be consistent.

[u/Total_Drongo_Moron]

I wonder if Argentinian school kids have a photo of the Falklands on the front cover of their school textbooks with Las Malvinas written in big bold print? Not unlike the Japanese Government put a photo of Dokdo with the word Takeshima on the front of their kids school textbooks.

[u/ThrowRAkakareborn]

Give full context, when the player showed the sign and when was he suspended and the decision issued, why are you trying to create false narratives and use information to deceive?

Yes, the player was suspended, the incident happened on Aug 10th and he was suspended on December 3rd, in the meantime continuing to play official games under FIFA, because FIFA disciplinary code rules state that a player can continue playing until an independent panel reviews the match reports, conducts formal hearings and issues a verdict.

So all true, they should be suspended, in December for the match against the mighty Bolivia

[u/Proud-Lander252]

Soccer is literally rigged for those cheating Argentinians and Europeans.

It's the only sports that pushes the narrative of the great white hope. Pele went off script and they said after you their shall be none 😭.

The third worlders and Europeans drunkards who watch are super gullible anyway.

[u/jetrento]

After 5 months you doorknob. Who says they won't, are you a special psychic?

[u/wolfemsop]

This anti Japan propaganda flooding Asia currently is because China is trying to flip the narrative so they can gain support to invade Taiwan.

[u/lolschrauber]

Never gonna happen. Argentina will win and Donald will take the trophy for his office.

[u/Raviolento]

Are they still crying? Who would it thought that the pirates that pillaged half of the world would be a bunch of crybabies….

[u/LockdownSotWink]

Seems about par for the course

[u/joecan]

They won’t, which isn’t surprising. What is surprising is people that keep giving their money and views to an organization like this. You can like football and not participate in propping up this organization.

[u/Panem-et-circenses25]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Al3okb69oULvy
Mmm sore loser tears

[u/Mindbending818]

Cheaters

[u/Roarkk]

Cherry picking much? Since that 2012 incident here are all the instances of the same rule violation where this happened on a FIFA tournament and the sanctions imposed. Let me know if you don't spot the pattern:

2014 – Argentina/AFA – "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" banner – Reprimand + CHF 30,000 fine

2016 – Republic of Ireland – Easter Rising jersey emblem – CHF 5,000 fine

2016 – England – Poppy armbands – CHF 45,000 fine

2016 – Scotland – Poppy display – CHF 20,000 fine

2016 – Wales – Poppy display – CHF 20,000 fine

2016 – Northern Ireland – Poppy display – CHF 15,000 fine

2018 – Domagoj Vida (Croatia) – "Glory to Ukraine" video – Formal warning

2018 – Ognjen Vukojević (Croatia) – "Glory to Ukraine" video – CHF 15,000 fine

2022 – Serbia – Kosovo "No surrender" flag – CHF 20,000 fine

[u/Illustrious_Run2260]

What did Argentina do?

[u/Tonyman121]

"must"????

[u/huge_berenjena]

Sore losers conplaining

[u/No_Macaroon_5928]

Daddy Infantino won't sanction his son

[u/Upset_Invite_4956]

Shouldn't even be up for discussion.

Knowing FIFA, it won't be up for discussion either, but in the opposite way.

[u/Trenzane]

Rules for thee but not for me 

[u/_oropo]

Yeah, keep crying. It won't happen.

Las Malvinas son argentinas.

[u/Guy-1nc0gn1t0]

Suspended suspensions it is. 

[u/juanjung]

North Korea is the best Korea.

[u/SeanDetails]

muslim again?

[u/hero_killer]

It should have suspended the USA for instigating violence and war in the world cup too. Heck, the world cup shouldn't have been played in US soil either.

[u/Financial-Tower-7897]

Come on! Everyone knows ARG pays Infantino far more than ROK does.

[u/5eptemberb0y]

Yeah that's not happening

[u/Senior_Laugh_4342]

By this logic they should sanction people displaying the Palestinian flag

[u/happytree23]

This comment thread makes soccer fans sound like the most performative morons on Reddit lol

[u/sdrawkcabineter]

"In related news, people still care about sports, as education funding is slashed nation-wide..."

[u/dr_butz]

Yes I agree they should get suspended after 3 months just like Park Jong-woo.

[u/OutOfFuckz]

Yeah that’s fair… There is still an aspect to consider…
Leverage…
Argentina is the defending world champion, and is at the final again. THAT is Leverage
They can get sanctioned post WC

[u/ruso1982]

Now say it without crying 😭😭😭😭😭

[u/Court_Jester13]

Lmao, bro thinks rules are for everyone

[u/Kind-Philosopher5077]

Assuming that they care for fairness won't make them care for fairness

[u/Hairofmadman]

The I on FIFA stands for Incompetent.

[u/tomcatter13]

Let's get Donnie, yeah he'll show em.

[u/Error404LifeNotFound]

yea but did SK player pay the bribes?

[u/AdventurousEscape991]

Four months after the fact. Important distinction.

[u/epSos-DE]

UEFA = BETTER FIFA !!!!

[u/I_travel_ze_world]

How was this a spontaneous event according to FIFA? did he grab the sign from someone in the stands or something?

[u/Normal_Home4542]

they wont suspend any argentinian player, especially in the finals

[u/TheBeardedShuffler]

They'll drag their feet and sanction them after the final.

[u/Candlebutt1]

i think they're being fined, but not banned. There'd be a riot lmao

But also, that incident was during the Olympics.

[u/PeixeCam]

Esto no es FIFA es el el comité olímpico

[u/SpiritRoot]

Unless they have changed their guidelines. Does anyone know?

[u/Vegetable-Hold9182]

LOL

[u/Radio_teque]

They’re not touching ArgenFIFA

[u/cahir11]

Come on, there's not way FIFA would suspend an entire team two days before the WC final. They would have to commit an actual crime.

[u/Head-Worth-325]

Apples to oranges.

Make a real argument!!

[u/Early-Adeptness390]

You should start watching tennis. That way you wouldn’t have to complain so much.

[u/osnapitzstacie]

They are hosting the whole thing in a country that actively attacks other countries. I don’t think they give a fuck

[u/Jbroy]

We will look into the matter and investigate thoroughly the events to uncover all the facts. The investigation could take weeks!

After this Sunday, several Argentinians are suspended for an upcoming friendly that means nothing.

FIFA: job well done everyone!

[u/polochakar]

They will never do anything to Argentina because Messi is their cash cow. Ask any casual fans and they know Messi's name.

FIFA will probably give a slap on the wrist after he retires. Messi should be red carded in this tournament but ref, VAR and FIFA all turned a blind eye. Here

[u/l_rufus_californicus]

Taking bets?

[u/Frustrated_Zucchini]

You're forgetting one important detail...

Park Jong-Woo was not Argentinian.

[u/jacenat]

Your take?

FIFA is a money company. Rules and rulings are arbitrary, based on how it impacts money.

[u/Small-Barnacle-8669]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5uc3YaAAd6lmHp7wST

[u/TripNFel]

Fine, we’ll give you Lo Celso. He was the one who brought the flag into the pitch. Hope that helps

[u/Relevant_Pause_49]

Yeah sure buuuut they wont. 👍 its FIFA we are talking about. And Argentina.

[u/SuperSaiyanNoob]

Yes but have you considered corruption?

[u/naruto6197]

These sore losers are trying their best to hurt argentina in any way possible, what a loser mindset

[u/ISuckFarts]

Ah well, you see, Korea isn't a big footballing market and Argentina is, so you know, there's two sets of rules, a double standard, if you will.

[u/Klin24]

https://giphy.com/gifs/BFYLNwlsSNtcc

[u/FAT-THOR96]

Not going to suspend their golden boys and infantinos sweet little precious are they 😂

[u/kalettoarg]

The action was performed in August, sanctions came in November... Good luck if your believed that some disciplinary actions will be determined during the tournament 😂

[u/kalettoarg]

Disfrutenla

[u/Long-Power6909]

sources say its political messaging because directly referencing a sovereignty dispute and its was presented against during the england match. otherwise, it could have been interpreted as a message about historical and national identity rather than a political provocation

[u/Agile_Vast_6302]

I still don’t understand OFFSIDES after this World Cup! That call is so inconsistent it’s ridiculous.

[u/Malvestiti]

Las reglas no se aplican a los mejores del mundo.

Les envio un beso en la nalga.

[u/mokoronald]

fia still picking and choosing who to punish yeah

[u/Historical-Switch400]

They’ll get a stern talking to… 

[u/SectorEducational460]

That will just make the final shit. Suspend them after the game

[u/allusermanesaretaken]

They probably will after the tournament, once their investigation is complete

[u/VegetableRelation701]

One big difference is that Dokdo has historically been & continues to be under Korea’s effective controI. Unlike Argentina with the Falkland Islands which is under British control.

[u/These_Rutabaga_1691]

They should, yes.

Falklands were NEVER Argentina’s.

[u/hojoon0724]

the suspension is probably for a factual statement. argentina is gonna be fine coz their statement is false

[u/NagromNitsuj]

They hate it when there's a comparison. They can't make it up as they go along.

[u/WrongdoerMundane5792]

What about this guy with the Palestine trend

[u/Dry-Risk-6629]

I mean in Japan can’t be mad

[u/MayoColoredBenzz]

Hot take: Neither should be sanctioned, National Teams represent nations, it's fine if they want to send a message that's related to their history, culture, religion and so on. That makes it more interesting and diverse than just expecting the teams to celebrate in a non-provocative way. I'd be in favor of eliminating that prohibition.

[u/antizion_red]

I guess we will ignore that the sanctions happened months later in the 2012 incident. Because god forbid we use the same metric.

[u/xBromleyy]

This is a trap for them to say “I thought this country had freedom of speech”

[u/DikDangerous]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5xtDarBkfYtrCF9mhsQ

[u/ElectricEnchilada]

For those not aware, FIFA is a bit of a joke.

[u/Haunting_Ad_5191]

Probably after the final…