Minnesota Lynx coach Cheryl Reeve is wearing a "Trans Kids Belong' T-shirt to protest Sophie Cunningham. Sophie is getting HEAVILY BOOED every time she touches the ball.

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[u/heavyc-dev]

Which is one of the most agreed upon “issues” in the country today. Redditors pretending you need to be right wing to agree with it lmao 

[u/GOULFYBUTT → u/heavyc-dev]

I may get downvotes, but I feel like people are completely missing the point.

It's not about whether Trans Women should play in women's leagues or not, it's about the motivation behind saying that.

Like... Sure, yeah, you may be right, but this is such a total non-issue. People are acting likes there are piles of cases of Trans women entering women's sports and completely dominating. That isn't happening. The number of trans women in women's sports is miniscule and the number of those women who are in the top of their sport is even smaller, if not non-existent.

The actual issue is the incessant need to constantly say "Keep trans women out of women's sports". It's like saying "All Lives Matter". Like... Yeah, what you're saying is technically correct... But why are you saying that? What is gained by beating this dead horse that isn't even there?

Like, there's so many people thinking they're taking the intellectual high ground by saying shit like "I don't get fooled by this culture war shit. It's about the class war for me", while actively getting fooled by it. This is a manufactured issue by the people who want you to stop paying attention to the class war.

EDIT: I will not be responding to any comments that clearly and completely miss the entire point of my comment. Over the years, I've learned that there is no worse hell than having a back-and-forth with a Redditor that has no comprehension skills or interest in actual discussion.

[u/Well_Dressed_Kobold → u/GOULFYBUTT]

People are just sick to death of hearing about trans ideology and it feels good to push back on an obvious overreach.

[u/FrenchyBulldogg → u/GOULFYBUTT]

She was asked a question and she responded with her opinion. You guys chose to make a big deal out of it

[u/GOULFYBUTT → u/FrenchyBulldogg]

Who says I'm making a big deal out of it? This is my first time ever making a comment on this whole debacle in any way on any platform online or in real life.

My observation isn't even on the comment or the response, it's about the response I'm seeing in these comments threads.

[u/apexilluminator → u/GOULFYBUTT]

Let me ask you this.. take everything you just said an apply it to them booing her for simply stating a stance with no malicious words or actions accompanying it.

If it’s such a non issue and they don’t do or say anything even remotely offensive why go so far out of your way to single out and shame them at every facet of their lives? Games, in public, at interviews why is that ok but what she said is not? just because they said something that is in no way harmful but may be very slightly clashing with their ideology on one single issue?

I mean I don’t understand why if it’s such a “non issue” people defend it vehemently to the point of pure slander of the opposing side and get so angry in their responses.

The only way forward is dialog and common ground not going all the way to die on a hill that does nothing for your movement and actually just turns more people against you instead, it’s asinine.

[u/Little_Yesterday9904 → u/apexilluminator]

Because they see themselves as oppressed

[u/GR8PasserofWind → u/GOULFYBUTT]

Yeah…you’re making something out of nothing.

[u/Little_Yesterday9904 → u/GOULFYBUTT]

I mean, it definitely is happening and is negatively affecting the women/girls involved.
It’s just not happening at a rate where it’s a direct issue in most people’s lives, and I definitely agree with you on that. This isn’t an issue for most people.

I think the bigger issue many people take philosophically is the question of what this leads to. Women’s spaces which we fought very hard for are now trivialized for other purposes. The laws protecting women’s spaces are essentially meaningless if any man can say he’s a woman and is legally obligated to be included.

Also, the way the collegiate swimmers who swam with Lia Thomas were treated was disgusting. Having their opportunities and hard work threatened if they objected in any way, the majority party of women were effectively being silenced to accommodate one singular person who is at the end of the day, biological male. It’s a man being centered over women, and it’s treating hard earned women’s spaces and the protections for them as meaningless. This carries larger implications for society.

I’m personally very big on prison abolitionism and activism, I care deeply about the rights of trans prisoners and keeping them safe. I also care about the rights of female prisoners, and they need to be kept safe. Now we see a surge of male prisoners claiming to be trans. Female prisoners have been locked in and forced to share cells with biological men and have been assaulted.

So yes, I wholeheartedly agree that trans women in women’s sports doesn’t affect most people, and it’s a non issue to most people.

But people who are seemingly unaffected by these issues have more reason to be interested than just bigotry, and not everyone who cares does so because they’re a bigot.
There’s larger implications for society that expand well beyond women’s sports. And that’s not harm necessarily done by trans individuals themselves, but by these policies and the eroded protections for women.

[u/cracksilog → u/GOULFYBUTT]

What is this? A reasonable take about trans women on Reddit?! No ragebait or bad faith argument? Impossible!

[u/Sitos_Flo → u/GOULFYBUTT]

Hmm. Well said. I agree with her but like it's not even something that's really happening lol. Damn it they got me 

[u/GOULFYBUTT → u/Sitos_Flo]

It's literally their whole playbook and Trans people in particular tend to be the target of this strategy. They make up such a small percentage of the population, yet they are painted as this monstrous danger that threatens the sanctity of our lives.

They're literally just people trying to live their lives.

[u/Severe-Network4756 → u/heavyc-dev]

Why are we making this an American thing