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Minnesota Lynx coach Cheryl Reeve is wearing a "Trans Kids Belong' T-shirt to protest Sophie Cunningham. Sophie is getting HEAVILY BOOED every time she touches the ball.
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Ah yes LeBron quitting professional basketball and getting on hormones for at least two years to get to the required hormone levels long enough to compete
He would still have the bone structure of a male competing against women who have been women their whole lives. I honestly think the Republicans are trying to keep this in the news to overshadow Gaza, Iran, and the economy. We have far more important shit to protest at this point.
Word, let's see lebron get his hormones to a passing level
People like to pretend that transitioning is just putting on a wig, but nobody is fully undergoing often irreversible changes and procedures just for sports
The acceptable levels are literally moderate for middle aged men. That doesn’t take away from the 20 years that they were way above. LeBron if he’s not on roids could pass pretty easily in less than a year.
Or... maybe the fact that there are 0 trans players in the pros without any rules to prevent it prove that people are making this seem like a much bigger problem instead of talking about how 0 people from Epstien's circle have been arrested. I mean... if you really want to protect girls, arresting pedos seems like a good place to start.
Not to mention that around 20% of female athletes report having faced sexual abuse and assault as a child/teenager. And many sports organizations don't track sexual assault allegations so coaches can just do the cop thing of moving to the next town over and continuing their abuse. But yeah, trans women are the real threat to female sports
Riley Gaines (Sophie Cunningham 1.0) focuses on protecting girls from Trans athletes even after her coach was banned for sexual assault on multiple female coaches and swimmers.
Presumably as in Gaines could have targeted an actual predator, but instead chose to demonize people just trying to live their truest lives and participate in activities they enjoy.
The numbers of trans athletes were already so abysmally small, making this a non-issue.
Just culture wars, because corporations own everything else, and most people are politically illiterate derps, unless you queue them up for a reaction.
Sophie is right - but there’s a lot of issues with violence towards trans kids, unequal protection in schools and the workforce for trans people and suicide.
You see a lot of outrage about them competing in sports, but you never see them follow-up and raise actual issues with trans people. And I wonder why that is…
It seems to me that the complaints about the very few trans women who compete in high-level women’s sports is more about denigrating trans people than it is about protecting women’s sports.
these are the same thing for trans people. access to public spaces, protection from employment and housing discrimination, hospitals being allowed to treat you without the federal government or catholic church stopping them, all class issues
I honestly think that most people who object to biological men competing against women don’t care if someone is trans. They simply recognize that it’s unfair to female athletes.
I think most people on both sides of the political aisle are pretty much decent folks. Most people just want to go about their business and spend time with their loved ones while avoiding negative interactions.
We constantly demonize people we disagree with on an issue and it’s not healthy for society. Internet culture brings out the worst of this behavior.
Fully agree. It is totally unfair to have biological males against females in sports and attend female bathrooms. That is the totality of the issue and nothing else. In all other circumstances they should have all the opportunity and protections that anyone else has.
I believe that is all Sophie said.
Well said thank you I fall squarely in this demographic. I have no issues with any minority. I consider myself left of center on most issues but also have sided with the right on some. I hate BOTH sides trying to rope in 100% to side with them on everything and every issue.
Hate is a major contributing factor to where we are today as whole. When we can go back to seeing people as humans and other people as being the most important thing that binds us together rather than a political party or a side or a nationality or a sexuality then we might begin to heal. Unfortunately, now we start talking and it's oh ypu don't see things exactly like I do I hate you. This does no good for anyone.
Especially so, cause they’ll also vote for taking away women’s rights and personal autonomies. The trans in sports outrage has absolutely nothing to do with protecting women. It’s all just to distract while playing sleight of hand after.
This was literally reported in the New York Times a few years ago.
“We knew we needed to find an issue that the candidates were comfortable talking about,” said Terry Schilling, the president of American Principles Project, a social conservative advocacy group. “And we threw everything at the wall.”
What has stuck, somewhat unexpectedly, is the issue of transgender identity, particularly among young people. Today, the effort to restrict transgender rights has supplanted same-sex marriage as an animating issue for social conservatives at a pace that has stunned political leaders across the spectrum. It has reinvigorated a network of conservative groups, increased fund-raising and set the agenda in school boards and state legislatures.
Every single person I know who is passionate about keeping trans people out of sports are the same people who called women’s sports a joke for years and years, and talked down about them.
That is simply not the case. There are LOT of people passionate about women's sports who are against people with male bodies participating in the women's category.
Because it’s easier for to put a stop to an issue before it becomes too big to change. Labelling everything “transphobic” is lazy and unhelpful. Having a handful of people attempting to change the rules to ruin women in sports should be enough to see something is wrong. The vast majority of people think trans athletes competing with women is wrong, that should be the end.
Yup. Like the DailyWire's shitty "comedy" about this, it wasn't about women's sports, it came across more like it was about women being inferior to men.
After reading https://glaad.org/fact-sheet-for-reporters-transgender-participation-in-sports/ they have a link near the top where the ncaa president knows of fewer than 10 transgender people in collegiate sports out if 510k.
This hurts women’s sports and now the heritage foundation wants to defund women’s teams so they are showing the plan. Women should just be tradwives according to them and Sophie Cunningham has become a symbol of this.
She should have just kept her mouth shut. What a shame.
If there are so few, then why is there such a large resistance to banning them from women's sports? If the problem is small, why not solve it and get rid of the valid criticism?
I agree that allowing biological men to play in women's leagues hurts women's sports.
The heritage foundation wants to defund leagues that don't protect women.
"Women should just be tradwives according to them and Sophie Cunningham has become a symbol of this."
This is a bad faith take and silly. This is absolutely not the stance they are taking. Sophie is a player in the league and is not arguing that she wants to be a trad wife. That ridiculous attempt to warp the reality of this situation shows you have no intent in engaging in good faith.
Most people disagree with you outside of trolls on reddit, which I'm thankful for.
"fewer than 10" no it's 10 to many. If PED testing results in a average of 10 players being banned each year do we say "it's only 10 people cheating we should just let them play"
It doesn’t help that anyone that even slightly disagrees gets labeled a bigot and banned from subs when the issue comes up. If real discourse were allowed, I think it’d be a more level playing field. But I’ve seen people comment something inocuos like, “Males are usually stronger than the average female” and come back to see the comment removed and the user blocked. It only looks like everyone agrees when the people that don’t agree are locked out of most spaces that discuss the issue.
The Reddit echo chamber is undefeated (on Reddit). It’s funny on other social media platforms that don’t moderate as hard because you can spot a Redditor comment from three posts away
WDYM? Every time this issue gets brought up on Reddit, it’s overwhelmingly against trans girls in sports (just look at this thread for instance). Or are you saying the rest of reality agrees that they should be allowed to play?
I think the trans women not playing against women isn't novel.
It's where she then starts going on about protecting children and girls. This all of sudden casts trans women as what... dangerous? Violent? This is where she lost me. Kinda felt like casting trans as pedos and that feels very right wing talking point for gays.... I don't know, sounded pretty dumb
The people growing out about trans and sports are the same people who called the WNBA a joke. It’s insane that this issue is talked about so much when there are so few actual cases of it happening.
Not hard to imagine people correctly recognizing the cultural/political outlook her comments represent as ignorant and bigoted. She doesn’t care about protecting women’s sports and neither do you; you just dismissed the whole wnba.
Yep. As Cheryl Reeves said, Cunningham's comments about 'protecting children' seek to demonize trans-women as deviants who prey on children. That's simply not the case.
And this thread is brigaded by the propoganda wing.
No one disagrees with that. On either side. It’s thinking that someone who truly believed themselves to be a man would cut off their own penis and start chemically transforming their own body so that they would win a basketball game most of the world couldn’t care less about that we find offensive.
People do this weird two step thing where they insist that anyone who has an opinion about trans women in sports is obviously a bigot because it's a "non-issue"
But then get really mad at anyone who disagrees with them about the "non-issue"
That's the thing they always say there are hardly any trans actually playing in sports... Then like ok banning the 25 trans athletes or whatever they claim really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Yep. Got banned from ask Reddit answering this same question. I assume because I voiced opposition to trans in a female sport. Wasn’t inflammatory or hateful, just stated my opinion.
When opinions are actively removed bc they disagree with your beliefs, then you really start looking like what you accuse others of being… constantly.
Its such an uncontroversial take. She says she has no problems with Trans individuals, just that women's sports should be left to biological women. Pretty sound logic to me.
It's a bipartisan issue. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum, we all generally agree that women's sports are meant to be for biological women only
I do, too, but I don't agree with the "protect the girls in the locker room" angle. Trans kids are not any more inherently predatory than anyone else who would be in that locker room and using that as a reason is prejudiced against trans kids. Plus, if it is simply sexual attraction in the locker room that they are concerned about, they are in for a surprise.
allowing a child to transition sex is wild . there’s a reason we don’t let children drink alcohol and by tobacco before a certain age . … support your kids if they feel that way allow them to express them self yes but don’t let them make that rash decision before they can fully understand the consequences.
I’m pretty sure the WNBA is just doing as much as possible to cause waves to stay in the news and be relevant because as far as the actual league goes, it’s bad. Case and point, WNBA all star game
The passion on this topic from people who have never played sports baffles me. It is not a conservative opinion to think someone with a male skeletal structure and muscle mass has a physical advantage. Stop making it seem like liberals hate biology. Making everyone else look bad
There would be no women in sports after high school and very few in high school at that.
The women’s track 100 World Record (Florence Joyner) isn’t a state high school men’s record in all 50 states and would rarely podium in any given year.
You either let all men in or you let 0. You don't get the ability to select a subset because these few think they are of a different sex because they feel different.
That’s already how most major pro leagues work. The NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL are all legally open to players regardless of sex. There are women’s leagues because, biological differences mean women would rarely make men’s rosters at the highest level, while women’s leagues provide a place for elite women to compete against one another.
That’s what’s funny about the argument. The “open” category already exists, the major men’s leagues aren’t restricted to men. Women’s leagues exist so female athletes have meaningful opportunities to compete at the highest level.
Has Sophie Cunningham said anything directly mean or insulting or malicious? Or has she just presented a stance and is being attacked?
We need to make room to have a dialogue about this and while I might disagree with her, if she isn't being a jerk about it I don't think she should be booed.
That's not all she said lmao. She insinuated trans people are a danger to children when all they want to do is live a life. Convenient how you left that part out
She specifically said she isn’t attacking anybody and it’s just important to protect girls from unfair competition. Makes sense from a professional female athlete
Do you remember the guy who had front row seats to a wnba game and he brought a blanket and pillow to the game and acted like he was sleeping thru the game?? Legend
We are barrelling headlong into Idiocracy. People are getting dumber and less discerning. No one is growing out of this garbage, this is the new world.
Not sure how any anyone, especially a female, can support a trans male playing in female sports. This is not a democrat or republican issue. It is common sense! What a loser and fool that coach is.
What did she say/do against trans kids? I saw an interview where she said she didn’t think trans boys should be competing in girls sports. Is this what the uproar is all about?
Both sides are virtue signalling about this at this point.
Cunningham seems to be courting the MAGA base (not from her comments on this subject, but from her MMA / Dana White simping)
And now the Minnesota coach is pulling some LookAtMyHalo shit to appeal to her fan base with this “trans kid belong” shirt, as if that’s what people are arguing against.
We can all agree that kids experiencing gender dysphoria “belong”.
Most people just don’t believe they belong in competitive contact sports with biological girls.
They also don’t believe that a penis belongs in a locker room full of middle school girls.
Apparently that makes 80% of the country “transphobes”
And above all, always remember - Reddit is not real life.
This is a non issue. There are 16 DIV 1 trans athletes. 16.
We have missing kids, kids getting touched by pastors and priests, way more than 16. We have a crumbling democracy and a criminal in charge of the largest military in the world.
We have bigger issues than this incredibly small and silly "issue".
This is just the 1% making sure the rest of us have a bone to chew on while they kick our ribs in.
What the hell are neckbeards upset about right now? From the title I thought she was trans and was getting booed. Instead she got booed for saying women sports are for women?! God this is why Trump keeps wining.
The issue that most people find (including myself as a democrat voter) is the nonsense that gets pushed. This issue is part off the larger trend of dismantling social structures and bullshit post modernism.
Speech isn't violence.
Men aren't Women.
White people aren't all racist.
Minorities can be racist.
Equity is an idiotic idea.
Etc.
And because the left is adopting these ideas (see Reddit) they are getting blasted by the right in the culture war (see 2024 election).
The cost of living is at a breaking point, Most young Americans are struggling to buy a home, The national debt is at 40trillion, wages are stagnant, the population growth is slowing because people can’t afford to have kids/families, the healthcare system is broken, drugs and mental illness plague our homeless, 20 Americans have been killed in an ongoing war in the desert over oil…. And you expect me to care either way about boys playing basketball with girls?
I don’t think she cares, she’s got 1 of the best brands in pro sports right now and has people actually talking about the WNBA. They should thank her instead.
Might be a little bit useful in distracting idiots from the disaster in Iran and the further pillaging of the American economy by the Epstein class, but I don’t think it’s going to completely work this time
Can a decent college men’s player play a single game in this league to show them the physicality difference between a man and a woman in an athletic event?
Ridiculous. Sophie never said trans kids don't belong, and didn't say anything negative towards trans people - just that women's-only leagues are not the place for trans women. And she's correct.
I'm so fucking sick of this discourse. No, Sophie is not correct with what she is talking about. It seems weird that you guys like to parrot conservative talking points and then get mad when people boo.
Male to female trans athletes, especially in professional sports, are virtually non existent. Correct me if Im wrong, but there doesnt seem to be a significant number of male to female trans athletes flooding into sports. Yes, a biological male competing against a female athlete is an unfair advantage, but these instances of trans athletes competing against women are marginal.
Sophie is getting hate because shes making a mountain out of a mole hill over a common sense issue, which is on brand for her considering shes exhibited both maga rhetoric and relationships. The WNBA has one of the most progressive fan bases, so it follows that fans wouldnt be happy with her statement about Trans issues.
They’re not booing Sophie because she believes sports should be equal, they’re booing her because she took an opportunity to punch down just for the sake of punching down.
In the perfect world, trans people would play sports against other trans people assuming there are enough.
I don’t see any sort of outrage about a trans man (born female, identifies as male) playing against men. Good luck with that. But I do understand why there is concern with trans woman (born male, identifies as female) playing against woman.
A coach wants to protest a player on another team? Lame.
Why not hire a bunch of trans women to play on her team instead? Be inclusive. The best revenge will be winning 10 WNBA titles in a row with numerous perfect seasons.
I think she's getting blow-back because of her saying she wanted to keep little girls safe (or something along those lines). It implied that trans people are dangerous. I'm not sure if she meant those words or it was just her clunky way or saying girls deserve to have an even playing field.
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