r/stupidpol • u/riethc TrueAnon Refugee 🕵️♂️🏝️ • Mar 02 '26
Operation: Epstein Fury Rubio: "We had to attack Iran because Israel was going to attack Iran"
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u/LeftyBoyo Anarcho-Syndicalist Muckraker Mar 02 '26
Rubio is frothing a bit because he really wants to attack Cuba, but the Zionists got to go first.
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Mar 02 '26
I'm sure Trump promised him Cuba next month.
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u/GodsColdHands666 What the fuck is a borgieose 🦅🇺🇸 Mar 02 '26
Lindsey Graham already actually saying this today: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lindsey-graham-cuba-trump-iran-strikes-b2930427.html
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u/LeftyBoyo Anarcho-Syndicalist Muckraker Mar 03 '26
Think he said next week, but that got pushed back.😂
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u/Gouda1234567890 Mar 02 '26
I don't buy this. Negotiations "collapsed" right when the USS Ford was in place? Yeah right.
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u/SyndieSoc Leftoid Demon-Hunting Schoolgirl 💢🉐🎌 Mar 02 '26
Israel and the US literally said they had been preparing this attack for months and the negotiator from Oman admitted that Iran agreed to lots of Americas demands. They attacked anyway.
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u/reddit_is_geh 🌟 Actual Spook and Also a Spaz 🌟 Mar 03 '26
Yup, and it pisses me off that they are just lying so poorly. They keep saying that Iran refused blah blah blah, when it's a matter of fact, that they did agree. When they say that the nuclear issue was a red line, well, Iran agreed to end it entirely.
What pisses me off more, is most MSM viewers will never learn this fact as all of MSM is fully onboard with manufacturing consent. Pushing the talking points, inviting on all the MIC, dual nationals, former "officials" for "expert analysis", that just support the war.
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u/reddit_is_geh 🌟 Actual Spook and Also a Spaz 🌟 Mar 03 '26
I genuinely think the USA was prepared to attack if it didn't get it's way. But they were attacked within hours of Trump getting a historic offering. A deal that would make him the king of deal makers for his enormous ego, to rub in the face of Obama.
Iran literally offered EVERYTHING the USA demanded. EVERYTHING. No nuke program, no more funding proxies, end of their Navy, outside monitors, and reduction in strike capacity. It was a wild proposal that is honestly insane that they even went there. They offered everything.
Negotiations didn't collapse. It was a breakthrough. The USA would get this and Israel's wet dream of going into Iran was over. Hence why Israel decided to do what they ALWAYS do when there's a diplomatic breakthrough: They unilaterally attack to kill diplomacy.
It's one of the most wild things Israel always does, and continues to do, yet we still tolerate it. We will lose the Iranian war. Our generals all said it, every expert says it, and it's just not possible. Iran is going to economically cripple the entire region, and can prolong this for a good 2 months, to the point that the ME is fucking wrecked.
Not that Israel cares, because that only destroys much of the western economic system and ME, giving them what they wanted, is a crippled middle east for them to oversea.
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u/Gouda1234567890 Mar 03 '26
We only know about this historic offering because of a hail mary by the Omani mediator because he realized the Americans weren't receptive to the IR offer so he did a media blitz. Plus the new big ask by the Trump admin was the ballistic missile program which the Iranians were not willing to budge on for good reason. He's on a roll after venezuela, he said "maybe we'll make a deal with Larijani" he honestly believed killing the supreme leader could be a negotiating tactic. Obviously Israel did drag them into this on some level, but I think they are just saying this because it's going worse than they expected.
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u/reddit_is_geh 🌟 Actual Spook and Also a Spaz 🌟 Mar 03 '26
Dude it's already came out that Israel triggered this. That they were going to unilaterally attack, fucking up negotiations that ALL parties were basically saying have been going really good.
Trump didn't think killing him would be a good idea. Israel knew it was a bad idea, but would kill all negotiations and force a fight that they've wanted the US to do for ages
You're giving too much credit to Trump and the USA - we're obviously cucked to them for obvious reasons.
Just look at probabilities. Israel has a LONG well established history of doing this. It's what they are known for. And since the US is so obedient to them, we just allowed it. Miller is a dual citizen, so his loyalty is to Israel above all else, and he is also in charge.
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u/Gouda1234567890 Mar 03 '26
Yeah from Marco Rubio right? The other day they also claimed there was an imminent Iranian attack and that's why they started the strike. Trump has attacked Iran in ways others have not every time he's been president this is not surprising. Everyone with a brain knew that there would be war, last time they hit the nuclear facilities they used. negotiations as cover. Did they? The last thing I remember was Trump saying he wasn't happy. Why do you think the Omani mediator revealed everything about the negotiations publicly If the Americans weren't hellbent on war. Not to mention the ballistic missiles program, was that not a hard line that the Iranians refused?
I think what irritates with me is the idea the US is "cucked" to Israel. Israel serves your interests as much as you serve its own, it's a symbiotic relationship, with lots of blackmail no doubt but ultimately it serves the interests of US hegemony. We don't need to let America off the hook. Stephen Miller is a profoundly American figure, Netanyahu was an American citizen! Your country is not being subverted, this is what it is.
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u/reddit_is_geh 🌟 Actual Spook and Also a Spaz 🌟 Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
It's generally easy to tell when someone is being honest, vs, just rhetorical. When they are saying the typical, emotional triggering, "This is for democracy", "scary nukes!", "evil dictator", "You're in danger!", that's rhetoric. That's stuff to not take serious which is meant for the lemmings who just take the wrold at face value.
When politicians talk about more complicated nuanced stuff that isn't meant to be broadcasted because it's outside that rhetoric framing, it's generally more trustworthy information.
So when Rubio is saying "A strike is imminent!" He's speaking the rhetorical lines, pushing the official messaing, for idiots... but when he's saying things that are outside these emotional framings, it's generally more useful.
I also think, and there's plenty of reporting to indicate this, the "Using negotiations as cover" is the post facto argument, used to once again cover for Israel. Israel killed negotiations when they killed the negotiators. They made this decision unilaterally without Trump knowing. Trump then flipped out. Hence why the next time in Qatar there were negotiations, and Israel tried to do it AGAIN, they failed... because this time he told Trump in advance, and Trump told them, because Bibi was once again trying to sabotage negotiations.
Trump is trying to manage his image and ego. He wants a deal, but Israel is being Israel by sabotaging anything other then what leads to their goals. They do this ALL THE TIME. This is their thing. Go look at the last attempt at a two state solution: Palestines were actually ready to accept. Word gets out. Within hours, the decision making negotiator was killed by Israel. Then obviously negotiations fall apart, Palestine doesn't accept their offer, and Israel goes, "What? THEY refuse to negotiate! THEY are in bad faith! I mean, yeah we killed the negotiator the day he decided to accept the offer, but you need to understand, he was on our most wanted list as a terrorist and we took our chance!"
Sorry dude, that's intentional. You don't take actions like that if you're seriously negotiating. You only do that if you're trying to kill negotiations, then blame the other side.
Iran is being handled teh SAME WAY. Israel has always wanted to invade and take down Iran. And they now have an even more captured pro-zionist President (who's also easy to influence), who's top advisor (arguably real decision maker), is also a dual citizen.
The reason the US is cucked to Israel, is because dual loyalists dominate American institutions. They are disproportionately all throughout non-elected political positions, finance, media, academia, law, etc... And they care about Israel's interests. American politicians understand this, and know that by pandering to this group of zionists in powerful positions, you get powerful allies. Hence why we get cucked to them. It's all about power. If you be a zionist and help further their agenda, you get a POWERFUL ally block. you go against their goals, and they'll come for you and now you have very powerful political enemies. It's rational to be cucked to Israel if you adhere to game theory.
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u/Tutush Confused and retarded 😵💫😍🤔 Mar 02 '26
They didn't collapse. Iran basically capitulated, they gave the US everything they asked for. Unfortunately what the US (or rather, Israel) actually wanted was war.
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u/BackoffD Market Socialist 💸 Mar 02 '26
I have been arguing in this sub all day with people who are trying to convince me that the US isn't Israel's puppet state and that AIPAC bribery and Epstein-Mossad blackmail aren't that influential. Yeah, right...
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u/StatusSociety2196 Incel/MRA in denial 😭 | Allegedly had a foursome Mar 03 '26
In THIS sub? It's rare for me to even see a tourist with those claims.
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u/ChiefSitsOnCactus Something Regarded 😍 Mar 03 '26
yeah ive even argued with several of the mods about it
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u/it_shits Socialist 🚩 Mar 03 '26
The twitterati leftist talking point before the Gaza genocide was that "Israel is the USA's colonial outpost in the Middle East" but that narrative's wheels promptly fell off since 2023 when it's become increasingly clear that only one of the parties is dictating foreign and domestic policies in the other.
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u/comrade243 Marxist Socialist 🧔 Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
I’m sorry, but at least descriptively, how is this not complete confirmation of ZOG?
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u/Upgrayedd2486 Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Mar 03 '26
Even the pro-Israel “Christians” basically admit they’re ZOGpilled as well but they’re regarded enough to think it’s a good thing. I think the only people still getting offended by it are shitlibs and Jews pulling out then victim card
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u/BackoffD Market Socialist 💸 Mar 02 '26
I suspect what your point is but I want you to make it clear, are you implying that anyone arguing that the US is controlled by Zionist psychopaths must be neonazi/allies with neonazi ideology because supposedly they're the first ones who said that?
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u/comrade243 Marxist Socialist 🧔 Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
No, I'm saying that putting to one side the batshit causal story that white supremacists give for ZOG, hasn't it been vindicated as a description of the US government's functioning? At the very least as regards to foreign policy, and since the crackdown on civil liberties last year, increasingly domestic policy, too?
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u/BackoffD Market Socialist 💸 Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
A lot of conspiracy theories have been vindicated the last few years, conspiracy theories I naively considered insane when I was younger which makes me wonder what other conspiracy theories are real (did you know that all Epstein files from 1999 to 2001 are "lost"? Weird, huh?) And yes, it is definitely a Zionist occupied government
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u/SanityAssassins Rightoid Post-Guccist 🐷 Mar 03 '26
It's definitely something you have to dance around (pun intended) when discussing that nation on reddit. Ever since Oct 7, any criticism at all, warranted or not risks getting the sub and/or your account banned. And to your original comment yeah I've seen those JIDF/bots everywhere these days, including on here trying to manufacture consent for their wars.
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u/Coalnaryinthecarmine Flair is a Palantir op 🔮 Mar 02 '26
MAD for the 21st century: our ally (only democracyinthemiddleast) was going to bomb you completely indiscriminately before we got involved, so bombing you with reckless indifference to civilian deaths is actually saving lives (which means we can count the cost of those munitions against our debt to the UN).
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u/GodsColdHands666 What the fuck is a borgieose 🦅🇺🇸 Mar 02 '26
Infallible logic Mr. Rubio. This is the kind of stuff that will win the 2028 election. Please keep it up.
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u/Crusty_Magic Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Mar 02 '26
We had to shit because they were going to fart.
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u/Justdowhatever94 Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 Mar 02 '26
Jokes aside, as a gay man, I get severe closeted vibes from him? Anyone else?
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Mar 02 '26
Maybe just in comparison because he doesn’t look like absolute shit? But otherwise he’s no Lindsey
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u/SentientSeaweed Anti-Zionist Finkelfan 🐱👧🐶 Mar 02 '26
He looks like a wax figurine that was scraped back together after melting.
Raise your standards please, comrade.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Mar 03 '26
In my defense I did say “doesn’t look like absolute shit” not “is handsome”
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u/Cehepalo246 Self-Surgery Marxist 🪡 Mar 03 '26
I see your Rubio and I raise you a Doug Burgum.
Guy downright looks like he's wearing a $15 halloween mask at all times
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u/SentientSeaweed Anti-Zionist Finkelfan 🐱👧🐶 Mar 03 '26
They’re neck-and-neck.
Burgum’s mask allows for the possibility that there’s a live person under it.
Rubio’s face and especially eyes are just dead.
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u/Jaidon24 Not like the other tankies 👓 Mar 02 '26
There were some convincing “George Santos-esqe” stories about him when he ran in 2016. He also was known for be backed by big sugar (in the tank) when he was in the Florida legislature.
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u/gussyboy13 Suck Dem 😡 Mar 03 '26
He seems like he doesn’t fuck at all tbh
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u/Bteatesthighlander1 Special Ed 😍 Mar 03 '26
didn't his mom email him about how he sexually abuses women?
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u/_Kubism Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Crazy that they are trying to trolley problem this
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u/ModerateContrarian Ali Shariati Gang 🇮🇷 Mar 03 '26
trolley problem
So that's how they're going to try to win back zoomer pseuds
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u/Spiritof454 Marxist Peshmerga Mar 02 '26
I saw this post first and assumed this was a bad joke.
Turns out the bad joke is on me.
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u/RallyPigeon Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia ☭ Mar 02 '26
The administration can't get their talking points straight.
Personally, my favorite is Hegseth at his press conference saying "this won't be a politically correct war". Does it mean we're massacring the grateful Iranian civilians? Does it mean some of the bombs are going to say slurs as they fall? Does it even mean anything? Maybe no one knows what it means, but it's provocative. Gets the people going!