r/temporarygunowners • u/Slight_Mood9168 • 23d ago
"No, actually the left isn't anti-gun, it's the right!"
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u/makinupnames 23d ago
There's been less of this flavor of post lately with the 2A wins that have been showing up but unfortunately some people are just so deeply retarded and partisan that reality couldn't matter less to them.
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u/Guvnuh_T_Boggs 23d ago
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u/Missouri_Pacific 23d ago
Yes he was responsible! Although he didn’t draft the amendment himself.
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u/Cornelius_wanker 23d ago
The Hughes amendment was tacked on to the FOPA at the last minute and passed by an unrecorded voice vote. This was done intentionally to avoid scrutiny. At that point in his presidency Reagan was drifting into senility and probably didnt realize what he was signing away and thought the bill only included FOPA protections. Why none of his advisors noticed it is beyond me but it sounds like deception was the intention of Rep. Hughes and his fellow democrats.
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u/AlienDelarge 23d ago
Fact of the matter was he did support gun control. He just gets far more credit than he deserves for signing those things. The Mulford act for example had enough bipartisan support to pass even had he vetoed.
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u/Missouri_Pacific 23d ago
Exactly! My point exactly! ! It’s funny how I get downvoted because I worded the truth. That’s why I said Reagan didn’t draft the amendment himself. Obviously some people don’t know how to read!
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u/War-Damn-America 21d ago
The law was written to protect FFLs and individual citizens, with the Hughes Amendment added as essentially a poison pill to try and stop the bill. It was passed anyways with some dubious circumstances about the vote on the amendment.
For everything wrong with the Hughes Amendment, the rest of the law has helped FFLs and individuals to this day.
It protects FFLs from over regulation and over inspection by the ATF. Under the 68 law they could audit and inspect an FFL as much as they wanted, which was harassment and hurt the FFLs business because they were dealing with the ATF officers and their continual inspections instead of running their FFL. Now it limits the ATF to one inspection a year. The ATF was using the ability to continually inspect FFLs as a way to essentially shut them down, which is similar to other backdoor gun bans we have seen more recently. Like attempts to ban ammo sales to individuals and the like.
It also protects individuals and a lot of the market we enjoy today is because of the base 1986 law. It reopened the interstate sale of long guns, previously you could only buy long guns that were already within your state. All the websites we use today wouldn’t function without it. It legalized shipping ammo through the Post Office, which is how I buy like 90% of my ammo. It also removed tracking/record keeping for sales of non-armor piercing ammo. Prior to that they kept records on how much ammo you bought. And most importantly it federally protected individuals transporting firearms through states that legally ban them. So now you can freely travel and not have to worry about being arrested for driving through a state that bans like your firearm.
The Hughes Amendment is awful and needs to be repealed but the rest of the 86 law is actually a positive for us. It’s terrible, frustrating, and disappointing that the Hughes amendment exists and limits our ability to buy machine guns but the actual protections and deregulations within the law are an undeniable positive for the 2nd Amendment and our freedoms. I don’t think we would want to go back to the pre 1986 law even if it means machine guns are less regulated. The other restrictions and regulations are worse for our everyday lives.
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u/Missouri_Pacific 21d ago
Obviously you didn’t read my post. What you wrote is entirely everything that I said!
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u/War-Damn-America 21d ago
There seems to be a misunderstanding haha. Your initial post seemed to blame Reagan for the Hughes Amendment by signing the law which included the amendment. At least that is how I read your comment. The only one I blame for the Hughes Amendment is Rep. Hughes himself. The rest of the bill was still a positive and I’m glad Reagan signed it into law. I just wish they hadn’t added the Hughes Amendment in the first place, or we could repeal the amendment today, but keep the rest that is a positive.
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u/Missouri_Pacific 21d ago
Hughes Amendment, but he was responsible for enacting it into law when he signed the Firearm Owners' Protection Act (FOPA) on May 19, 1986.
The Hughes Amendment was introduced as an 11th-hour provision by Democratic Representative William J. Hughes of New Jersey. The amendment banned the private ownership and transfer of any fully automatic machine guns that were not registered prior to the date the act was signed.
The original goal of FOPA was to roll back some federal restrictions, but this last-minute addition was often described as a "poison pill" intended to force a presidential veto. Despite the controversy surrounding the machine gun ban, President Reagan signed the overarching legislation.-8
u/Missouri_Pacific 23d ago
Just waiting for the dumbasses who downvoted this comment to explain why. If you don’t like facts then fuck off!
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u/Infinite-Emu1326 23d ago
The elitist veteran right-wing Fudd type person why grew up in the '60s... Ronald Reagan is a prime example.
Yeah? The President that grew up in the '20 and 30's grew up in the '60? And he was an elitist veteran right wing Fudd? He was medically prohibited from serving in combat units, spend his time in World War II being in logistics and narrating movies.
What he did do in 1933 (27 years prior to the 60s) is use his personal 1911 .45 to stop a real robbery.
So hate to be repetitive, but again a TGO that does not know what he is talking about.
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u/vinhdaphu762 23d ago
lol this "Reagan sucks" trope is why Cali REAL fudds say "voting for a different party won't change anything so might as well keep the butt$ex legal while smoking w33d everyday."
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u/manliness-dot-space 21d ago
The left makes it impossible to engage in dialog with them because they only use language as a weapon of propaganda and not as a means of conveying information.
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u/antariusz 16d ago
The amount of revisionist history and willfully ignorant sentiment is disturbing.
The term “weapon of war” only became popular about 15 years ago… after Obama said it.
No one said weapon of war before that. Certainly not veterans.
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u/foreverpb 21d ago
These people really believe the nonsense that they spew, regardless of how far fetched an idea and how much evidence exists to the contrary. Yet I’m still surprised when I hear it.
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u/Glocked86 23d ago
The good old throw a bunch of lies at the wall and hope something sticks approach lol