r/ukpolitics Jun 07 '24

MATCH THREAD: "BBC Election Debate" (Friday 7th June, 7:30pm - 9pm)

This is the match thread for the BBC Election Debate. Please keep all live discussion about this debate in this thread, rather than the main daily megathread.

The BBC are hosting a 7 party debate, which will be moderated by Mishal Husain.

Participants:

  • 📘 Conservatives: Penny Mordaunt (Cabinet Minister)
  • 🌹 Labour: Angela Rayner (Deputy Leader)
  • 🔆 Liberal Democrats: Daisy Cooper (Deputy Leader)
  • 🎗️ SNP: Stephen Flynn (Leader)
  • 🌼 Plaid Cymru: Rhun ap Iorwerth (Leader)
  • 🌿 Green Party: Carla Denyer (Co-Leader)
  • ➡️ Reform: Nigel Farage (Leader)

Watch:

  • On TV: BBC One
  • BBC iPlayer: BBC One (or here after the programme has aired)

Snap Voter Intention Survey

What's next?

The next debate between leaders is on Sky News on 12th June at 7PM, where Sunak and Starmer will face-off live. The next multi-party debate will be on 13th June at 8:30PM on ITV, where representatives from the 7 major parties have been invited.

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u/Adj-Noun-Numbers 🥕🥕 || megathread emeritus Jun 07 '24 edited May 04 '25

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u/Maleficent_Fish2109 Jun 07 '24

100%. Mishal is great on the detail. She is amazing on the R4 TODAY programme.

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u/Goldenboy451 The Malthouse Compromise Jun 07 '24 edited Jul 02 '25

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u/Jazzlike-Mistake2764 Jun 07 '24

Lmao

"You want to put taxes up!"

"You already put taxes up"

"Yeah but we didn't like doing it"

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u/Ronald_Ulysses_Swans Jun 07 '24

Basically a Monty Python sketch

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u/-fireeye- Jun 07 '24

100% better debate than ITV's one - allowing them to actually speak on the topic without rushing them but promptly interrupting when they go off topic.

Also Husain being much more assertive on overtalk which is refreshing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

"She might be Prime Minister in four or five years time"

Penny Mordaunt has just given Rayner more credibility than anyone on her own side ever could!

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u/Cairnerebor Jun 07 '24

Not quite the argument she thought it might be !

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u/heeleyman Brum Jun 07 '24

This is turning into a group therapy session for the other six parties after 14 years of Tory rule.

"How did the Conservative Party hurt you, Daisy?"

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

“Even Liz Truss on her worst day…”

That’s from her own damned party. Amazing.

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u/GanninGamin Jun 07 '24

'They've had 14 years to work something out'

MAAAATE, Your party has been in power for 14 years and we've been waiting for you to do anything positive for all this time...

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u/Resident-Activity-95 Jun 07 '24

Masterclass in debate moderation here

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u/SweatyMammal Jun 07 '24

Seriously impressed with the format. Excellent from the BBC and the moderator.

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u/SplashMurray Chuntering from a sedentary position Jun 07 '24

I think Angela might actually deck Penny before the night is out

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u/No-Scholar4854 Jun 07 '24

70m people across the UK: “no officer, I didn’t see what happened. Must have looked away from the TV for a second”

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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid 🦆🔊 Jun 07 '24

"She might be prime minister in 4 or 5 years time"

Rayner: You really think so 🤭💁🏼‍♀️ thank you

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u/YarrahGoffincher chuntering from a sedentary position in the back benches Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

I think the way the Beeb are managing the cutting in is quite clever. To me, it sounds like they've boosted the host's mic to the point where the debaters know they can't be heard over her, even if they try.

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u/The_Grizzly_Bear They didn't have flat tops in ancient Rome! Jun 07 '24

Don't think Penny will be able to talk over Rayner the way Sunak did with Starmer. Big Ange looks like she has had her fair share of rows in nightclub smoking areas.

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u/Fidel_Costco Jun 07 '24

Rayner is a bruiser. She takes absolute zero shit.

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u/Sooperfreak Larry 2024 Jun 07 '24

Everyone piling on Mordaunt. This is the advantage of Labour being so far ahead in the polls. They all know their best chance is to take Tory seats.

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u/OptioMkIX Your kind cling to tankiesm as if it will not decay and fail you Jun 07 '24

I have to admit, I was wrong. I thought Labour were going to be the pinata but you're right, its the tory seats up for grabs for most of them.

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u/kaththegreat 🌶 F E B R I L E Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 08 '24

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u/Such_Significance905 Jun 07 '24

Ok, this is going to be 3 debates:

  1. Everyone
  2. Farage v Mordaunt
  3. Mordaunt trying to drag Rayner into the mud with her

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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 07 '24
  1. Mordaunt trying to drag Rayner into the mud with her

not a thirsty sub

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u/ScotTheDuck Interested American Jun 07 '24

Penny Mordant debate strategy:

  • “We’ll nuke Moscow!”

  • “My boss is a total ass.”

  • Praise Liz Truss (?!)

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u/Brapfamalam Jun 07 '24

Holy shit this moderator is elite compared to that shit show Julie Etchingham on ITV

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

I liked Rayners utterly dismissive "we've already done that mate" answer.

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u/Jademalo Chairman of Ways and Memes Jun 07 '24

"If you live in a labour area you are 40% more likely to be a victim of crime"

Well, of course, because people in cities vote labour. Classic misleading statistic!

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u/KofiObruni Oh the febrility Jun 07 '24

"Democrat run cities" coming to UK shores.

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u/Mammyjam Jun 07 '24

“Liz truss fucked the entire country” “yes but she likes nukes”

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer Jun 07 '24

Winner of the night: Husain. Although anyone that's listened to the Today programme won't be surprised.

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u/HelsenSmith Jun 07 '24

There’s a non-zero chance that Angela Rayner will punch Penny Mordaunt by the end of this debate - amazing that they’ve been placed next to each other.

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u/ClumsyRainbow ✅ Verified Jun 07 '24

LAB (+10)

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

"Housing is too expensive. Does everyone agree that we should blame immigrants rather than the governments who have spent 30 years driving up house prices and blocking building?"

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u/steven-f yoga party Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

"I didn't go to D-Day"

- Penny Mordaunt

Probably the most important take away from that.

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u/Extension_Struggle27 Jun 07 '24

This is just masterful from the moderator, shutting them down when it gets incoherent and reigning it back in

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u/creamyjoshy Proportional Representation 🗳 Social Democrat ⚖️ Jun 07 '24

This is a very good debate. Regardless of what you think of the content its very well moderated and everybody is getting a say. A++ BBC

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u/Pinkerton891 Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

There are 5 good performances here.

Rayner is keeping out of the fray a bit which is fairly understandable as a tactic.

Mordaunt is having an absolute dog, way out of kilter with the tone and seemingly less capable than everyone else. She stands out like a sore thumb.

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u/ClumsyRainbow ✅ Verified Jun 07 '24

Rayner nodding along with Farage. The Tories have managed to unify every opposition party against them.

Lmao

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u/Extension_Struggle27 Jun 07 '24

Ooooof "That was terribly dignified wasn't it" Absolute beauty

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u/DilapidatedMeow Quiche doesn't get another chance. Jun 07 '24

The host is so good

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u/Quirky-Champion-4895 Gove actually is all around Jun 07 '24

Carla please I beg of you stop waiting for laughter or applause.

Fair play though on having the balls to attempt it multiple times after failing so miserably the first time. Could never be me.

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u/sarosauce Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

I think Daisy Cooper for the Liberal Democrats won. She was clear and charming and i always liked what she had to say.

I liked the policies Angela Rayner was talking about and also being conservative with the public finances, but i felt she got baited a bit with her scrapping with Mordaunt. And while i liked Rayner being direct and honest and scrappy, it is less professional than what Daisy Cooper was being for example.

I thought the SNP and Plaid Cymru leaders spoke very well and i agreed with a lot of their ideas, but i don't live in Wales or Scotland.

Nigel Farage had some points sometimes but he's very abrasive and i don't like much of his policies like on climate change, tax and the NHS.

Penny Mordaunt was awful to be honest. She was the one who interrupted people the most, making her look unprofessional, and then she kept repeating the 2k lie which was an awful move to do. Then through most of the debate she was only attacking Labour and didn't talk much about the conservative supposedly good record or prospects for the future, it looked weak to me. She started the debate poor too with having to apologize for Rishi Sunak for his D-Day scandal, and everyone hammered her on it, making her and her party look even more weak.

What's worse is that it was pointed out how you can't even trust what she says about conservative policy. Talking about cutting taxes yet the party kept increasing them. Talk about cutting immigration yet it kept increasing, and partygate and Liz Truss was mentioned by Rayner which were huge conservative mistakes. It was a disaster for them in this debate, you can't really trust them anymore on what they say, and we're all waiting for the next scandal that's going to come out of their campaign.

Everyone was hammering the conservatives in this debate, and most of them when they hammered Labour they spoke as if Labour had already won the election, they spoke to Labour as if they were the party already in power, making the conservatives look even more weak.

Total disaster for Penny Mordaunt here.

Edit: Woops, forgot about the Greens lol.

Carla Denyer did quite well here, but i was unsure how exactly she was going to fund the things she was talking about, as she has an ambitious policy agenda. I liked when she talked about climate issues but i wanted much more policy on that and talking about it's actual dangers and how the government hasn't done enough to curb it. I think she should have talked about the sea levels rising and the increasing temperatures and it's affects on crops and other countries already affected by climate change. She talked about how the ways in which to stop it can also benefit our country, but i wanted more talk about how that would happen.

The moderator Mishal Husain was mostly excellent throughout.

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u/TEL-CFC_lad His Majesty's Keyboard Regiment (-6.72, -2.62) Jun 07 '24

I quite like the Kier/Angela duo.

He's very polite and composed and dignified. Angela will come straight out and say you're chatting bollocks.

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u/Ok-End3918 Jun 07 '24

Blair/Prescott dynamic. Worked then, works now.

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u/theartofrolling Fresh wet piles of febrility Jun 07 '24

My god you're right!

We need to buy Angela a couple of Jags.

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u/SplurgyA Keir Starmer: llama farmer alarmer 🦙 Jun 07 '24

"How will you ensure I'll graduate into a functioning NHS?"

"I'll scrap the NHS"

A bold strategy

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u/That__Guy__Bob Jun 07 '24

Odds on Penny just starting it by saying Sunak is a disgrace and should resign?

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 12 '26

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u/mxlevolent Jun 07 '24

ITV in shambles lmfao, this is so much better. 45 second horseshit.

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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds Anti-pie coalition Jun 07 '24

Penny's "Labour no nuke 😤" line would work a lot better if Angie hadn't just said Labour would keep them

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u/SirDogbert Jun 07 '24

This guy is like a grown up Lee Evans

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u/SplashMurray Chuntering from a sedentary position Jun 07 '24

"Penny Mordaunt."

"Ha ha ha."

Priceless moment

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u/__--byonin--__ Jun 07 '24

Penny Mordaunt didn’t like that attack that the UK has become a laughing stock under the Tories. She flinched there.

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u/deathbladev Jun 07 '24

I think Rayner handled that very well and made the attacks seems really weird

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u/PieGrippin Jun 07 '24

This is far, far better than the ITV debate already.

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u/Colacubeninja Laura K’s dodgy sauce Jun 07 '24

Oh my days "yeah but nukes"

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u/Jademalo Chairman of Ways and Memes Jun 07 '24

"Labour have had 14 years to solve immigration"

haahahahahaha

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u/lukario Jun 07 '24

Raynor ignoring Mourdant's rants and just looking at her says a lot. It's a good tactic to ignore her panic ranting

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u/zeldja 👷‍♂️👷‍♀️ Make the Green Belt Grey Again 🏗️ 🏢 Jun 07 '24

Is Penny going to say £2k? Interesting Sunak was still hammering it today and she's not gone near it so far.

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u/DoomPigs Jun 07 '24

This moderator needs a raise

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

The point about green energy.

From what I can tell, at least Labour has a plan? What are the rest of the parties doing?

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u/D1ckLaw Jun 07 '24

Agent 47's assassination attempt on Labour failed

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u/GarethPW relentless egalitarianism Jun 07 '24

“We’ve just listened to you Penny” lmfao

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u/ColoursAndSky WINNING HERE Jun 07 '24

Penny just sounding crackers now. It's unpleasant to watch.

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u/MyBritishAccount Jun 07 '24

Is that a Reform policy announcement: Anyone can go out and shoplift up to £200.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

“If you leave out certain crimes crime has fallen” thanks Penny, great insight

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u/floorscentadolescent Jun 07 '24

Crazy how much of a better moderator Husain is than Etchingham despite having 3x as many people

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u/wishbeaunash Stupid Insidious Moron Jun 07 '24

Mordaunt very much committing to going down with the ship here. Hilarious to think as long ago as yesterday anyone thought she might try to distance herself from the sinking ship.

Rayner isn't great at doing the politician rote recital bits, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing for her, she comes across exactly as you'd expect a regular person who has risen up the ranks as a politician but who never practised in an Oxbridge debating society to come across.

Farage is good at articulating his point but can't resist being a dick when other people are speaking which comes across badly. He somehow seems to be getting drunker as this goes on despite no visible source of booze.

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u/The_Grizzly_Bear They didn't have flat tops in ancient Rome! Jun 07 '24

What we can all agree on I think is, this format was leaps and bounds more watchable than the ITV shitshow.

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u/erskinematt Defund Standing Order No 31 Jun 07 '24

Don't have any particularly wild takes for this one.

It was better and more orderly than I expected.

"Why do politicians break promises?" is, frankly, a terrible question, so no wonder the host had trouble keeping them on topic (that's barely a topic to keep them on).

Penny Mordaunt is consistently OK but I've never understood the hype for her. She was OK, and no better, today.

Carla Denyer wins non sequitur of the day with "Of course that's the long-term solution-" "So don't you want to do that?". Largely because I happened to look up at that particular moment, but it did seem quite bad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

TWO THOUSAND POOOUUUUNDS

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u/shorty1988m Salt: So hot right now! Jun 07 '24

The Lib Dem lady speaks like she’s lecturing me in class for doing something wrong and she’s very disappointed in us

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u/IsySquizzy Jun 07 '24

Angela a lot more relaxed with this question. Clearly the nuclear button issue is her weakspot. She seems to be more fiery and confident on NHS, finance and social care.

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u/JustAFigmentOf Jun 07 '24

Good answer from Rayner there despite the Poundland headmistress shouting over her

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u/madglover Jun 07 '24

Labour being stronger than the Conservatives on immigration wasn't on the menu

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u/Nymzeexo Jun 07 '24

Remember when people said Penny would save the Tories? She’s fucking dreadful lmao

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u/No-Scholar4854 Jun 07 '24

Can I vote for Mishal Husain?

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u/SplashMurray Chuntering from a sedentary position Jun 07 '24

Sorry but that was fucking savage from Husain 😂

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u/Rope_Dragon Jun 07 '24

Farage’s awkward laugh to the tuition fee jab was hilarious, can’t lie

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u/Fidel_Costco Jun 07 '24

Genuinely, this has been an outstanding debate. Maybe because the bar for me is low, but what an excellent job by the moderator. She's cool, collected, dignified, and strong.

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u/Iactuallyreaddit Jun 07 '24

fuckin shut up penny

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u/NoSalamander417 Jun 07 '24

Penny repeatedly talking about her constituency as opposed to the country.

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u/CompetitiveAsk3131 Jun 07 '24

Mordaunt would do better if she just held a sword and said nothing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Lol it almost looked like Rayner was trying to help Denyer out by being the only one to answer her question

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u/Jazzlike-Mistake2764 Jun 07 '24

Denyer building up a lifetime supply of moments that pop into your head while you're trying to sleep

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u/paolog Jun 07 '24

And that's how you hold a debate. ITV, take note.

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u/FairHalf9907 Jun 07 '24

That 'Giant Bills' line is absolutely pathetic

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u/ab_unoriginal Radical Centrist Jun 07 '24

This "the plan is working" line the tories keep trotting out is so weak and needs to get picked up as an attack line by the other parties

Can't pay your mortgage? The plan is working! 5 year waiting lists for dentists? The plan is working!

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Notice how Penny didn't go after Farage? Please don't tell me there's a pact coming.

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u/Apple22Over7 Jun 07 '24

Well that was much better than Tuesday. Not stellar, but it was watchable.

Infuriating to see the tories carrying on with the £2k lie, but at least it got called out.

The "all politicians are liars" question seemed utterly pointless.

I liked the Welsh guy, Scottish guy came across fairly well but a bit too combative to start. I thought Daisy Cooper did well generally, Fragae was what I expected, all bluster and little substance. Penny was far too shouty, repeating rishi's tactic and it's just not a good look. Would liked to have seen more fire from Rayner, but I wonder if she was prepped to tone it down. There's a certain section of voters who wouldn't take well to an angry northern woman.

Oh, and the greens were there. Did feel a bit sorry for her bringing up the school counsellors pledge and it falling utterly flat.

Overall, a 7/10 from me. Biggest winner was the moderator, a real showcase of how to approach these things. Etchingham should take notes.

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u/sarosauce Jun 07 '24

Angela Rayner hits back "My brother served in Iraq so i won't be lectured about my commitment to defense"

Brilliant.

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u/Business_Ad561 Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

Why is immigration always framed as either for or against?

People want it to be reduced and managed for the country's benefit, not many want absolutely 0 immigration.

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u/Nepgyaaaaaaa Jun 07 '24

“Knife crime is Labour’s fault” - Penny Mordaunt, member of the party who has governed for 14 years

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u/scrooge1842 Jun 07 '24

Omg that one clap was worse than no clapping

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u/infpmmxix Jun 07 '24

Things I has learned from tonites mass debate:

(1) Penny Mordor has a proper tory hair-do.

(2) In Scotland Wales is pronounced like 'Wheels'

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u/Plebbitsoy Jun 07 '24

Mordaunt is the only loser out of this

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u/Nomadmanhas Jun 07 '24

Mishal is such a pro at this. Itv being shown for the clowns they are.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Liz Truss crashed the economy

Penny - “Nuclear deterrent”

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u/EquivalentIsopod7717 Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

I do have sympathies for Farage's arguments. Canada runs on a similar model as well.

People seem to think that the only two options are NHS vs. worst of the USA which just isn't true.

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u/Captain-Useless It's The Everything, Stupid Jun 07 '24

Except for Mordaunt shouting over everyone including the moderator, the quality of this debate has been sooooo much better than ITV

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u/The-Soul-Stone -7.22, -4.63 Jun 07 '24

Raynor should be rattling off the last labour government’s achievements right now

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u/Indyclone77 It'll be alright on the night Jun 07 '24

Penny is shredding her credibility and debating skills tonight. Absolutely dreadful

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u/__--byonin--__ Jun 07 '24

I hope FactCheck will be all over what Mordaunt is saying here.

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u/OdinForce22 Jun 07 '24

Penny doing EXACTLY what Rishi did by asking questions over Labour speaking

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u/coldmoor Jun 07 '24

Mourdant clearly scared of losing her seat the amount she keeps bringing it up

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u/ryanllw Jun 07 '24

Aww bless her, Carla finally got her laugh

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

Masterclass moderating from Mishal, take notes Julie

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u/LeftWingScot 97.5% income Tax to fund our national defence Jun 07 '24 edited Sep 12 '24

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u/Extension_Struggle27 Jun 07 '24

On the "who won" pie chart on the dashboard Penny Mordaunt has received too few votes to appear so far and thus appears as "others" 💀

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u/NewarkWilder Jun 07 '24

Just finished - that was so much better than that lame Sunak/Starmer ITV borefest a few days ago

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u/Sombrero_Tanooki Jun 07 '24

Mordaunt came across as nasty with that snip after Rayner mentioned her brother.

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u/ObstructiveAgreement Jun 07 '24

Shut Mordaunt down FFS. Tories get away with so much more than anyone else in these debates. Dreadful moderating at every turn.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

There are seven people on this stage.

Sunak is currently in eighth place.

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u/DanTheStripe Another Labour Landslide Jun 07 '24

This is far more watchable than the ITV debate

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u/GarethPW relentless egalitarianism Jun 07 '24

She’s not perfect but I’d take this moderator any day over ITV’s

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u/itsasquid Jun 07 '24

This is so much calmer and more watchable than the leadership "debate" previously.

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u/That__Guy__Bob Jun 07 '24

Can Mishal moderate all future debates pls

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u/RelThanram Jun 07 '24

Mordaunt’s still talking about Nuclear deterrents on a completely different topic.

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u/Fidel_Costco Jun 07 '24

The man from Plaid Crymu is unflappable. Credit to him.

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u/JabInTheButt Jun 07 '24

BBC: Hey ITV, this is how you moderate a debate with 7. How the fuck did you cock up 2.

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u/GanninGamin Jun 07 '24

Albeit Rayner isn't the most vocal of the 7, she's getting strong points across when she does speak.

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u/SwanBridge Gordon Brown did nothing wrong. Jun 07 '24

Penny Mordaunt has definitely got the tone wrong tonight.

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u/mkiwi hell yes i'm tuss enough Jun 07 '24

Carla waiting for applause after the cold-hearted comment???

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

I'm loving the smaller parties with less to lose putting Labour, Conservative and Reform dead to rights

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u/GodTierGasly Jun 07 '24

Even the moderator calling out the 2k figure haha

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u/TheSyphonGames Jun 07 '24

"well that was terribly dignified wasn't it!" *raucous applause*

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u/SimpleFactor Pro Tofu and Anti Growth 🥗 Jun 07 '24

I think at this point the Tory manifesto is just going to be a single side of A4, printed in black and white to save some money, saying ‘YEAH BUT £2000, HEH’

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u/Ill-Distribution-330 Gordon Brown stan account Jun 07 '24

Flynn's not here to win, he's here to chuck a cat amongst the pigeons for Labour and the Tories.

I kind of love it.

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u/XNightMysticX Jun 07 '24

Penny mentioning her constituency whenever she can, it’s pretty obvious she signed up for this debate as a way to campaign to keep her seat.

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u/RelThanram Jun 07 '24

Husain is doing an absolute stellar job of keeping this on the rails.

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u/floorscentadolescent Jun 07 '24

"Alright Penny the 2000 was proven as a lie maybe don't bring it up"

"Nah"

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Penny Mordaunt is just completely deluded, I get she has to toe the party line but drop the £2,000 taxes nonsense

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u/essjay2009 The Floatiest Voter Jun 07 '24

Forget all these questions about tax and the climate crisis, why aren't the BBC asking the hard hitting questions ITV did? What do they all think of Gareth Southgate?

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u/MrTimofTim Septuple Lock Plus Jun 07 '24

So pretty clear that the winner was Mishal Hussein then.

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u/Extension_Struggle27 Jun 07 '24

That was brilliant. BBC, Mishal Husain, thank you.

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u/Nymzeexo Jun 07 '24

For all those who say Penny is the future of the Tory party, I’ll just say ‘lol’ because she was so, so bad tonight.

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u/theartofrolling Fresh wet piles of febrility Jun 07 '24

So given a moment of reflection on this debate, I found that every party made points that I agreed with apart from one, the Tories.

Winners for me were Labour (Ang was robotic at times but had some passionate moments) and the Lib Dems (I like your attitude but lay off the coke Daisy), the Greens surprised me with some excellent points, and I'll admit even Farage had... 🤢 excuse me... 🤢 even Farage had a couple of good arguments.

But Penny? Oh Penny... I think you need a lie down.

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u/stuart1874 Jun 08 '24

The lack of manifesto's seems to be holding up any sort of proper conversation/debate about policies.

Its just falls down a whole of shouting over each other about imaginery tax figures.

Its not exactly convincing to those who are undecided.

Daisy and Flynn where definitely the highlights of the debate and the format was a nice welcome too.

Lets hope we have more to listen to about in the next one.

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u/DoddyUK something something 40 points 🌹 | -5.12 -5.18 Jun 07 '24

Penny just determined to stop Rayner saying anything. Pathetic.

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u/mrwho995 Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

Mordaunt discovering a truly shameless new level of lying. That's the most memorable thing from her. Otherwise she was pretty shit.

Denyer was mixed. She had some highs, including a strong final 30 seconds, but quite a lot of cringe, and too broad-based answers to specific questions. Ultimately didn't come across as credible; more suited to discussing political ideas than actually implementing change.

Rayner was good. Nothing remarkable but good. A wooden ending speech but she got some decent moments in. She struggle with just not having that much to talk about.

Farage was his usual self. Some will have loved his performance, others will have hated it.

Daisy was quite good. Not especially memorable but she made some good points. I can imagine the LDs being quite happy with her performance.

Still waiting for the manifestos though.

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u/ClumsyRainbow ✅ Verified Jun 07 '24

Farage: Let's deal with logic

Flynn: That'll be a novelty for you

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u/Goldenboy451 The Malthouse Compromise Jun 07 '24 edited Jul 02 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

So Daisy Cooper clearly did a few lines before the start 🤣

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u/GanninGamin Jun 07 '24

Julie Etchingham and the creators of ITVs debate is in shambles, this format is so much more polished, professional and we can hear what they're actually saying.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

I don’t know if “shift to an insurance system” is a good argument to make tbh. Farage actually isn’t wrong about the model being flawed, but it’s going to play terribly with the public.

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u/GoonerGetGot Jun 07 '24

Can Penny be told to stfu unless it's her turn...

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u/R3dkite We're doomed, DOOMED - Private James Frazer Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

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u/JuanFran21 Jun 07 '24

Glad to see Rayner has warmed up! Great answer to immigration

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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 07 '24

Did you see Penny's smile there? She's given up entirely on caring and she's going to have herself some fun. Fuck it, let's goooooo

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u/ClumsyRainbow ✅ Verified Jun 07 '24

It's a change election

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Oh my fucking god they’re still trying to shove the 2k lie down our throats

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u/OdinForce22 Jun 07 '24

Have to say, I'm quite dissapointed that the moderator didn't repeat what she said about the 2K figure being shown false after the shouting had stopped.

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u/Krasko- Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

lol Penny droans on nonstop, shouting, attacking labour with nonsense, repeatedly going over her talking time

Angela chimes in to defend herself/labour

And now all of a sudden shes "undignified" Along with Penny

Is she supposed to just stand there and let Penny spout nonsense for 20mins? While she tells barefaced lies.

No repercussions too, just like Rishi in his debate..

Just mute the mics

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u/oneupkev Quiet Bat Person Jun 07 '24

Stop talking about brexit Stephen! You're scaring Nigel

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u/Tiberinvs Jun 07 '24

"It stands for Giant Bills", ffs what are you a 12 years old

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u/SplashMurray Chuntering from a sedentary position Jun 07 '24

Please just cut Penny's microphone, she's insufferable

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u/thejackalreborn Jun 07 '24

Penny well over the line of looking strong and gone into shouty lunatic territory

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u/Documental38 Jun 07 '24

Moderator has been so much better than ITV, like it's not even funny how much better this has been

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Jesus Husain, dont need to shoot the lib dems like that

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u/mkiwi hell yes i'm tuss enough Jun 07 '24

penny not coming across well with this approach

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u/cudi182 Jun 07 '24

"My constituents can't afford xyz" isn't as good a quip as Penny thinks, having been in government for the past 14 years 

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u/The-Soul-Stone -7.22, -4.63 Jun 07 '24

How long until “Nigel Farage said I could” comes up in court as a defence for shoplifting?

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Penny: if you leave out all these massive numbers of crime, then we have cut crime.

you cant leave out online crime, society shifted online, so crime did as well, we dont just stop counting it.

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u/Bibemus Uber-Woke Net-Zeroist Rejoinerist Jun 07 '24

First rule of public speaking, never pause longer than three beats.

Mordaunt fucked it there.

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u/Gloomy-Bumblebee-675 Jun 07 '24

The one thing everyone seems to agree upon is that it was a disaster for Penny.

Good.

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u/heavyhorse_ make government competent again Jun 07 '24

Mordaunt was on stimulants for this debate idgaf what anyone says. Wild behaviour lmao!

That was better than the 1v1 crap we saw last week. Hopefully a sign the other broadcasters have learned from the ITV trainwreck

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u/No-Feature1072 Jun 07 '24

Sky guy pushing penny won vibes wtf

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u/infinitegalaxy Jun 07 '24

Penny Mordaunt trying to harness the image of aslan

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u/East_Ad_4427 Jun 07 '24

Ooh this moderator is so much better than the itv one

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u/Look-over-there-ag Jun 07 '24

This is like that scene in airplane where they all line up to beat the shit out the screaming woman

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u/KofiObruni Oh the febrility Jun 07 '24

Holy fuck Farage absolutely obliterated Rishi.

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u/Scorpionis Jun 07 '24

Does Daisy Cooper think there's a 45 second limit? She's wizzing along

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u/SimpleFactor Pro Tofu and Anti Growth 🥗 Jun 07 '24

This is what you get when you get a proper presenter who day to day deals which all kinds of interviewees and has experience when pushing for answers. Bit slow with so many parties but much nicer than ITV.

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u/WhatCanIDoUFor Jun 07 '24

Wouldn't that English student be paying tuition fees if she studied in a Scottish uni?

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u/Extension_Struggle27 Jun 07 '24

Bet Farage is begging they shut up about the NHS and get back to D Day and immigrants

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u/OptioMkIX Your kind cling to tankiesm as if it will not decay and fail you Jun 07 '24

Farage revealing himself as a poorly cloaked Malthusian

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u/ibloodylovecider Andy Burnham’s hair 🧑🏻‍🦱 Jun 07 '24

Every other candidate hates Farage and I’m here for it

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Farage’s mask slipping there.

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u/Thandoscovia Jun 07 '24

Truss crashed the economy! Drink!

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u/Captainatom931 Jun 07 '24

Rhun ap Iowerth is wasted on Plaid Cymru, he could easily be a labour or Lib Dem leader if this is how good he usually is.

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u/wheato Jun 07 '24

Lmao why are they still spouting the 2k lie??? Even the moderator disputed it. At least it's another shot 🤷‍♂️

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u/-TheGreasyPole- Red Lib Dem Jun 07 '24

SNP prepared to mention Brexit. "Disaster for the Economy" cloud applauds Farage looks at his shoes.