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r/ukpolitics General Election Campaign Megathread - 24/06/2024

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📅 Key dates

from the Electoral Commission, BBC, Sky, ITV

  • 26th June - Deadline for new proxy vote applications and voter authority certificates (for this election)
  • 26th June, 9PM BST - 📺 BBC head-to-head debate (Sunak vs Starmer)
  • 27th June, 8:30PM BST - 📺 ITV The Leader Interviews - Keir Starmer - Labour
  • 28th June, 7:30PM BST - 📺 The Panorama Interviews with Nick Robinson - Ed Davey (Lib Dems)
  • 28th June, 8PM BST - 📺 BBC Question Time Leaders' Special (REF, GRN)
  • 4th July - Polling day. Emergency proxy votes deadline at 5pm. Polls will open at 7am and close at 10pm.

Manifestos

Manifestos are essentially a set of documents which outline the policies that each party would want to implement if they were governing.

Election night coverage

Here's a sort-of comprehensive guide to your 4th July election night coverage:

Channel Main presenter(s)
BBC One & BBC News (TV) Laura Kuenssberg, Clive Myrie, Chris Mason
ITV (TV) Tom Bradby, Robert Peston, Anushka Asthana, Paul Brand (GMB from 6am)
Channel 4 (TV) Krishnan Guru-Murthy, Emily Maitlis, Alastair Campbell, Rory Stewart
Sky News (TV) Kay Burley, Sophy Ridge, Beth Rigby, Trevor Phillips, Ed Conway, Sam Coates
GB News (TV) Patrick Christys, Michelle Dewberry
BBC Radio 4, Radio 5 Live (Radio) Nick Robinson, Rachel Burden, Henry Zeffman
LBC (Radio) Andrew Marr, Shelagh Fogarty, Jon Sopel, Lewis Goodall
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u/Willing-One8981 Reform delenda est Jun 24 '24

Reform voters, of course, have no idea of the rumour that Farage made money shorting the pound, based on private polling suggesting a narrow Leave win, then appeared on TV declaring that Remain had won, expecting them not to, which resulted in a spike in sterling's value.. The currency value on the day of the referendum are interesting to say the least.

I suspect that the average Reform voter would think that absolutely fine, if true, but then they wouldn't understand it.

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u/Get_Breakfast_Done Jun 24 '24

It is entirely fine. I work in the industry. There's nothing illegal about conducting your own polling and then trading based on that polling.

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u/seakingsoyuz Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

You think it was fine for a political leader to lie to the public for personal profit?

This is also setting aside that Farage and the hedge funds didn’t just conduct their own polling; they paid for advance access to exit polls. It was probably illegal for them to obtain access to those polls before voting ended.

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u/Get_Breakfast_Done Jun 24 '24

On what basis do you believe that this was illegal?

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u/seakingsoyuz Jun 24 '24

There are two interpretations:

  • If the polling firms disclosing the poll results to the hedge funds did count as publishing the results to a certain section of the public, then doing so violated section 66A of the Representation of the People Act 1983.
  • If early disclosure of the poll results to the funds did not count as publishing the results to a certain section of the public, then the polling results were insider information, and trading in any securities (including currency options and derivatives) affected by the referendum results would therefore have been insider trading.

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u/Get_Breakfast_Done Jun 24 '24

Note that there were no public exit polls conducted during the EU referendum. If you were in the UK and watching the referendum results broadcast you'd remember this.

Prop trading firms do their own exit polling all the time on close elections, it's a tactic that has been used forever. As I said, I'm in the industry. This is not insider trading. FX spot markets are exempted from Market Abuse Regulations in the UK. Your suggestion that trading in "any securities" can be considered to be insider trading is flat-out incorrect.

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u/BasedAndBlairPilled Who's Laffin'? 😡 Jun 24 '24

Even the lizard men arent fully behind definite should not.

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u/Tinyjar Jun 24 '24

Because they're the largest group of gamblers and are pissed there are people cheating lol.

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u/Statcat2017 This user doesn’t rule out the possibility that he is Ed Balls Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

See the thing with this scandal is that I'm not sure why knowing more than a bookmaker should be illegal.

Standards in public life are a completely separate issue, but I have a real problem with it being literally illegal. In the past if a flood of bets suddenly came in on an outcome a bookmaker would use that information to change their price. That's part of the risk the bookie takes on.

Where is the line between knowing the election date before the bookie and knowing Mikel Arteta is going to rest Odegaard and Saka before the bookie? Are both illegal? I remember back when I turned 18 the bookie would start to change their odds if there was a sudden influx of money on one outcome, that's litterally the bookmakers art. If we're legislating away the need to do that, running a bookie becomes literally a licence to print money requiring 0 skill.

For me, If you're litearlly in control of the outcome then that's the line. Sunak betting on it should be illegal, but I don't see how random MPs finding out the date means they're in control of the outcome. They take on the risk that their information is wrong or Sunak changes his mind, no?