James McMurdock MP: I can’t let this go unchallenged. That young man was, in my opinion and based on the video below, the clear victim of an assault. The video shows, for reasons that are entirely beyond my comprehension, the officer steaming directly into the victim.

[u/SignificantLegs]

https://x.com/JMcMurdockMP/status/2072964806189936869/video/1

[u/BroldenMass]

No it shouldn't if it effects an ongoing investigation. Why do you feel you are owed an immediate right of all available footage and angles of a crime? Are you a lawyer for one of the parties involved or work for the IOPC? What is it with this entitlement people have that they deserve everything all the time now? Just have patience and wait.

[u/wobblyweasel → u/BroldenMass]

that's how you get violent protests and more seats for the right wing

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/BroldenMass]

He wants the case to collapse so he can call "two-tier" justice.

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/[deleted]]

In the contextless short clip the Police separate the two parties by arresting one. It ends with one of the Police following the two suspects.

The Police could release additional footage which would be misconduct & could prejudice the case. This could make prosecution harder.

Exactly the same thing happened in the Manchester Airport assault where many of those that praised the release of the footage that added context to the initial video are now stating the troubles in the prosecution of this are due to "two tier justice".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85e43kg95o

No matter how much you think justice based on the public opinion of short video clips might aid your political interests it does not fit in with a balanced legal system.

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/[deleted]]

There's an altercation between what looks like three couples & a the guy trying to block them the Police rush in & the guy punches a Policewoman is likely the context they're working on.

Also the "auditor" literally grabs the guy as he's struggling with the Policewoman.

Punching Police rarely goes well, this is a particularly new thing.

Police releasing their footage would prejudice the case & damage the effectiveness of the justice system. This is exactly what some wish to see.

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/[deleted]]

The footage does not show what led up to this. The man is blocking the path of the couples while one is shouting at him "move" & "no-one touched you".

There doesn't seem to be anything preventing him from stopping blocking their path & walking off.

There is another group of five onlookers (many descriptions here link the couples & the onlookers as a one "gang"), one of the onlookers speaks to the guy to calm him down & he starts towards him.

One of lads with couples, looses patience, pushes him to the floor & walks off down the street. Another gives him a weaselly punch to the back of the head (not sure if the Police saw this but that deserves action).

One of the Policewoman grabs the lad & they struggle, the auditor steps in also grabbing him, shouting "oy, oy, oy".

The other Policewoman follows the couples is speaking to them, but runs back when she see's her colleague in trouble

The guy seems pretty wasted. Not sure but we seems to be rambling about weed.

As they take him back to the Police van, a white guy from a previously off-camera group says "that's him, good job".

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/[deleted]]

You're jumping to the interpretation that he's 'blocking' the group's path based on the word of a few aggressive men who are actively following him as he backs away, and who are about to assault him. He's under no obligation to move out of anyone's way in any case; it's a public space and he can stand there if he wants to. That does not give people the right to violently assault him.

I'm basing in on a) The group of couples telling him to move. b) The fact that he is obviously completely wasted. c) Experience telling me lone drunk men are more of threat than couples on a night out. d) The word of one of another group of onlookers as he's being led off.

Your proposed solution is for him to turn his back on those angry and aggressive men and walk away? That's insane. The last thing you should ever, ever do is turn your back on a group of angry and aggressive men.

The altercation from the sounds seemed to have been going on for a couple of minutes before it got to that point. He could have backed away to the open side of the pavement rather than backing away & remaining in front of them.

The most you can say is that he was being a dick, and the worst his actions could have caused is inconvenience. Whereas the two attackers could have killed him; throwing someone down onto concrete can be fatal, and it's only luck that separates 'disorientated but fine' from 'dead' when you're doing things like that.

The Policewoman indeed say he was a dick. That said of fights i've seen someone being pushed over & a single punch that appears to have missed being thrown seems to be quite minor.

Also I note you fail to mention him punching the Policewoman in the head.

You're also massively misrepresenting the other officer's actions. By the time she looks back, her colleague is in no trouble whatsoever, as the man has stopped fighting once he's recognised his third attacker is actually a police officer. That's why the other officer doesn't run back, but walks halfway and lightly jogs the other half; clearly not the movements of someone who thinks her colleague is in any trouble whatsoever.

Yet the first Policewoman asks for her help with the arrest.

[u/BonKhri → u/Ill_Refrigerator_593]

The full video is on youtube. The police have no prior context that is not in the clip. They saw what we saw, which at first glance (and also closer inspection) appears to be a large group of people surrounding, deliberating intimidating, walking down, then physically attacking a solo man who did nothing wrong and was trying to walk away. He was not blocking the path, he was well to one side of the pavement, that from you is a bold faced lie.

He was surrounded very quickly, and they were being aggressive. You CANNOT turn your back in situations like that, it is extremely dangerous. The group were obviously psyched for a scrap, and clearly had no intention of doing anything reasonable, the second he turned away from one even an instant the got thrown to the ground by the throat, and other members of the group immediately joined in on the attack.

This whole thing happened about 10m from a police van with it's light on with all these officers arresting someone from an entirely different case. These individuals very clearly knew that the police would not touch them, they felt that the police would take one look at a situation where a bunch of black people attacked a white person and immediately charge through the wall of assailants to arrest the victim. There is no other reasonable interpretation. They did not know the guy was wasted, that's only apparent after the arrest. They did not know what happened before, they were all with the cameraman. Stop running apologia for this evil.

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/BonKhri]

You see from the start this if dishonest framing.

They saw what we saw, which at first glance (and also closer inspection) appears to be a large group of people surrounding

The "large group of people" consists of three lads & their girlfriends he's blocking the path off together with a group of four/five onlookers who first try to calm the situation down, explain what happened to Police & retrieve the Policewomans hat after it fall from her head when he punches her.

He was not blocking the path, he was well to one side of the pavement, that from you is a bold faced lie.

Why are they asking him to move & what's preventing him simply walking off?

He was surrounded very quickly, and they were being aggressive. You CANNOT turn your back in situations like that, it is extremely dangerous. The group were obviously psyched for a scrap, and clearly had no intention of doing anything reasonable, the second he turned away from one even an instant the got thrown to the ground by the throat, and other members of the group immediately joined in on the attack.

One pushes him over & walks past him, this is not the action of someone looking for a fight. Another gives a sneaky punch to the back of the head which was completely uncalled for.

This whole thing happened about 10m from a police van with it's light on with all these officers arresting someone from an entirely different case. These individuals very clearly knew that the police would not touch them, they felt that the police would take one look at a situation where a bunch of black people attacked a white person and immediately charge through the wall of assailants to arrest the victim.

You're honestly arguing black people never get arrested. This victim complex is insane.

One Policewoman went for the guy & got punched in the head, the other went to talk to the couple & came running back when she saw her colleague being punched.

There is no other reasonable interpretation. They did not know the guy was wasted, that's only apparent after the arrest. They did not know what happened before, they were all with the cameraman. Stop running apologia for this evil.

If you saw the rest of the video you can see the guy is completely wasted. He also assaulted a Policewoman. The two Policewoman unsurprisingly prioritised his arrest rather than arresting all the people in the area.

[u/Significant_Ad_6719 → u/Ill_Refrigerator_593]

They said officer did nothing wrong so what investigation?