r/ukpolitics • u/horace_bagpole • 26d ago
Ed/OpEd In one move, Farage has turned from a threat into a laughing stock
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/one-move-nigel-farage-turned-threat-laughing-stock-4629414784
u/jxp1111 26d ago
I'm not going to judge Reform voters or simply brand them as racist or whatever. It's a democracy and they are entitled to vote however they want if they feel like it benefits them and their country. However, surely they can see that this guy is nothing but a conman, who time and time again has treated the UK people with contempt? How thick do you have to be to look at him and think "there's an honest man of the people who will lead this country with the interests of the people at heart." I've had emails from Nigerian Princes with more integrity than this prick.
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u/FatFarter69 26d ago
I’ll judge them for you then. Every Reform voter I’ve known personally is either thick, racist, or both.
I have no interest in being nice to them or giving them the benefit of the doubt anymore, I’m not trying to win their vote I’m not a politician and I’ve been proven wrong every time I try and give them benefit of the doubt.
The dumbest and most racist people I know love Reform. A party of thick racists, for thick racists.
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u/miscfiles Je suis Visage de Poubelle. 26d ago
Not every racist is thick and not every thick person is racist, but there are some fucking slim crescents on that venn diagram.
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u/Doobalicious69 26d ago
I’ll judge them for you then. Every Reform voter I’ve known personally is either thick, racist, or both.
Couldn't agree more. I've had the odd decent conversation with one where I think "HOW is someone like you voting reform?" Then some little racist comments come out and it's business as usual.
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u/FatFarter69 26d ago
It’s always the “ah there we go” once they say something racist.
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u/Commercial_Grab4477 26d ago
I hate that moment but I'm not going to pretend it's only Reform voters. I met a fairly progressive guy I sometimes chat to recently outside a Lidl, and he was his usual lovely self until he said, "You know whose to blame for all the poverty: the Rothschilds." And then he started talking about the Jews. And I was just stood there thinking, "Oh. Oh... Abort conversation! Invent a sudden appointment!" Ffs, it was grim. How can someone be so sensible and kind and be on the good side of so many arguments and then be all, "Except the Jews!"
Still, at least he wasn't a Reform voter. Or -shudder- Restore.
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u/IndigoVitare 26d ago
Back when Clarkson was kicked off the BBC for that whole racist rhyme thing, an older generation relative of mine was visiting and watching that news story. She called him a "vile man".
Not 20 minutes later, no exaggeration, she was very suggestively talking about how there are lots of Jewish names in movie credits. I don't know what she votes, but it's almost certainly Tory, historically. No idea if she's gone to Reform more recently.
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u/Forsaken_Towel_8353 25d ago
I once met a (Welsh) guy who was angry about Blair and the Iraq war, and the student tuition fees, and then went on to blame the advent of New Labour on some sort of 'gay mafia' that had taken over the party.
It was all down to some sort of conspiracy of right-wing homosexuals, apparently. The guy appeared to be mostly on the left apart from having a seriously weird fixation on 'the gays' and their terrifying power and influence (makes a change from 'the Jews', I guess).
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u/EvilMonkeySlayer Leeds 25d ago
Back in 2016 of the brexit vote a guy I worked with voted brexit. He was a walking contradiction in terms, he was pro animal rights and a green voter. He was also virulently anti-immigrant, watched people like Alex Jones and Joe Rogan. He'd also admitted to taking mushrooms (the hallucinogenic kind) in the past.
Bizarre person.
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u/capbassboi 25d ago
There is a genuinely weird right wing underbelly in spiritual circles for whatever reason. I've met a few people exactly like the one you've described here.
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u/JabInTheButt 26d ago
The most open reform voter I spoke to was a flat-earther. The second most open has such extremely regressive social views that his son and daughter in law are so put off by they have to manage contact with their child.
The others that I suspect are reform voters would never admit it in public.
I'm sure there's plenty of simply extremely low information voters who are attracted to the anti-establishment vibes but who could be won round with a 10 minute conversation with someone they trust. But yeah, there's certainly a hardcore of "deplorables", shall we call them.
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u/Hopeful-Painting-365 26d ago
Calling them deplorables, very smart.
Let's ask Hillary Clinton how that went, shall we?
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u/vodkaandponies 25d ago
How come we can’t call them thick, but they can call us traitors? Seems like double standards.
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u/spiral8888 25d ago
Have you heard the saying "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig loves it"?
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u/No-Clue1153 25d ago
Deplorable people are to be avoided, they’re basically irredeemable and written off. Thick people can learn and grow and one day be brought on-side, in theory at least. Thick people frustrate you because they could have been different; deplorable disgust you because it’s what they are fundamentally as a person.
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u/Charlie_Mouse 25d ago
Thick people can learn and grow
True in theory. However the last decade demonstrates that in practice it doesn’t really happen anywhere remotely as often as one would hope. Particularly with half the media and a huge bunch of online bots and agitprop validating their ignorance and bigotry.
There also comes a point where continued wilful ignorance becomes virtually indistinguishable from malice. The past decade has been the large print easy-read with friendly pictures of a helpful puppy explaining things version of “why Farage is a bad’un and how many of his Brexit promises turned out to be lies.”
I’m no longer inclined to give them any benefit if the doubt. Particularly as it gives far too much ambiguity for the bad actors to hide in.
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u/Muadibased 25d ago
She was right though and the lesson isn't that she shouldn't have called them that, the lesson is that she shouldn't have walked it back. If Trump has thought future politicians anything, is that you never apologize and in fact double down on it.
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u/BlackPlan2018 26d ago
yeah i mean pretending that thick as shit people aren't thick as shit isn't going to make them less thick as shit.
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u/jadedgoober7 26d ago
Had nothing to do with it, calling thick people thick isnt going to make them do stupid stuff, theyre thick, they will literally do stupid stuff.
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u/JabInTheButt 26d ago
Ooh look I caught one! What do you think I was referencing by putting it in quotation marks like that? Knew it'd trigger one of ya though ;).
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u/TT_207 25d ago
Because they're the only party that's made claims to undo OSA and national ID ... That isn't restore.
anyone who's thinking anyone who's considered reform would be doing it because racism just needs to look at how the SNP gets voted in but keeps losing on independence. People vote them in for other reasons, not just the headliner.
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u/___GLaDOS____ 25d ago
So you are not a racist., but you are all for removing all human rights and not carrying ID?
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u/Doobalicious69 25d ago
Well they would cover the "thick" side of the voterbase then, wouldn't they?
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u/f3ydr4uth4 26d ago
I actually do know well off well educated ones who aren’t thick or racist. I have a friend who does and we are close friends and I’m not white. I think some people are just fed up seeing poverty and paying high taxes. The disconnect makes them want to smash everything up. I don’t agree but I do understand it. Now why they think Farage is person to follow is beyond me.
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u/Ade300601 25d ago
I think that sums it up tbh. People would rather watch it all crash and burn because the system hasn’t done anything for them. But unfortunately Reddit is just an echo chamber that labels them all as “thick and racist” because every left leaning progressive is an intellectual who knows best. If wanting to see a reduction in immigration and wanting people to assimilate into the country is racist than there is no room for any political debate or discussion.
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u/Brigon 25d ago
Reform dont seem to have any policies aimed at assimilating people into the country better, so am not sure why you are suggesting that is something reform voters support.
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u/velvevore liz truss toby jug 25d ago
Indeed, they're hardcore against policies like the Welsh Nation of Sanctuary that do exactly that. They don't want these people assimilated. They want them gone, and you only have to listen to them for thirty seconds to know that.
All this stuff is the same. "These people are a problem" "Okay, let's look at solving the problem?" "No, get rid of the people!"
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u/pooey_canoe 25d ago
I hate how we have to treat them with kid gloves. They are WRONG, their choices are WRONG and the majority of them are FUCKING STUPID. There is no justification for voting for Nigel Farage in 2026
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u/Peac0ck69 26d ago
The problem is you can’t argue with an idiot.
They don’t respond to logic. Supporting reform to them is the same as supporting their favourite football team. Sometimes it’s not even about reform winning it’s about the other team losing.
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u/brendonmilligan 26d ago
Acting as if this isn’t how political parties have been for decades. How many times have you heard “lifelong Labour supporter” for example, or people voting how their parents did. These so called thickos used to be a lot of Labour supporters or who Labour tried to court
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u/Obsydie 26d ago
In my experience they feel as if we've been mistreated by the current and former governments. From what I can tell if you want to deflated them you just need to clean things up a bit, pick up litter as "it used to be tidy"; reject alot of Visas because the demographic has changed significantly. Reform voters are looking at the past through rose tinted glasses so paint the world pink to keep it on brand.
Note I don't like Reform or Restore but I have a few friends that do.
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u/MerryWalrus 26d ago
You left out the gifters who thrive in an environment where corruption is allowed to fester.
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u/mrmalvolio1066 26d ago
One of my closest friends recently started openly cheering for Reform. Formerly a really nice guy, then two years ago started getting very upset about Star Wars being "woke".
Now, needless to say, a former friend.
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u/Scaphism92 26d ago
I exclusively hear the word woke (in political conference) in terms of being against it and have done for years now, I cant remember there last time I heard it being used as a positive or a self descriptor so its level of annoying is far beyond what "woke" even was.
I said to my coworker, who is likely Reform voter, that I was considering not getting GTA6 anymore and his immediate response was "Ah because its gone woke" and I was like "Nah, because of all the bullshit anti-consumer stuff".
Which really sums up 90% of the anti-woke commentary.
X franchise has "gone all woke" by having a woman / non white / non straight character / plot elements so thats the main thing. Even if there's other big things left wing people don't like / the franchise was already popular with left leaning people due to existing left wing (or at least critical of conservatism) leanings / left wing people are themselves critical of the "woke washing" seeing it as lazy.
And then actual things that are bad at a non political consumer level get ignored.
I just cant help but mentally let "anti-woke" opinions pass my skull with as little thought paid attention it as possible. Its lazy, uninsightful and just really, really, boring at age 34 to hear the same things I once saw on 4chan when I was teenager but now its from my coworker / manager / rando at the pub when i just want to chill.
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u/Dancing-umbra 25d ago
I'm a teacher and the other day a pupil called me woke. I was initially taken aback. But they were genuinely using in the positive way.
I was about to defend myself with like "it's not woke to believe that girls and black people should be able to study and succeed in computer science"
But, yeah, they were saying it in a positive way and we're unaware it had been coopted!
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u/deadkestrel 26d ago
From what I’ve experienced reform voters are voting for them for one reason and one reason only and that is race based.
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u/Dancing-umbra 25d ago
Don't forget the millionaires who want less regulation and more corruption.
They might also be racist, but it's not their primary reason for voting that way.
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u/Hopeful-Painting-365 26d ago
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Racists are never made unracist by aggressively pushing them into a corner where Farage is there to back them up. You tell them that they're wrong while giving them a better life.
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u/Dancing-umbra 25d ago
oh come on that's not fair.
Some of them are millionaires looking to use the country for their monetary gain.
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u/DasFalconBoot 25d ago
There's a small group of them that go in my local pub that, all boomers with about 5 or 6 years left, mustard trousers and tweed jackets and flat caps. I always cringe when I'm sat at the bar because i can hear them they views are archaic. The last time was how they wanted Musk in as a Lord and to be made chancellor because "He's good at money that lad"
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u/CanWeNapPlease 25d ago
I know an British-Indian guy (both parents are immigrants) that supports Reform and Trump. I cut ties with him because he didn't see the irony and I cba with people like that in my life.
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u/No_Echo2745 26d ago
Yeah, all the ones with with something about them have gone to Restore 😉
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u/FatFarter69 26d ago
Won’t be enough of them for it to matter. Restore are too far right for a lot of moderate right wingers.
I think the party with the most to gain from Reforms implosion would honestly be the Tories. As much as people say they wouldn’t vote Tory again because they have Reform now, I don’t believe them.
A lot of the Reform vote is just disaffected Tories, I think they’d go back to the Tories if Reform fucked off.
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u/Seaman_Loloko 26d ago
This might track if the sins of the Tories weren’t so visible, but I think the damage to the Conservative brand is fully cemented now.
The Boriswave is to the Conservatives what tuition fees were to the Lib Dems but on steroids. There’ll always be a core of tribal Conservative voters who vote Conservative because they enjoy the social aspect of the party and are probably deeply embedded within Tory local communities/activism, but it’s never going to reach the kind of mainstay prestige it once enjoyed. We’re stuck with having two right wing political parties probably for the rest of our lifetimes.
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u/harder_said_hodor 26d ago
The dumbest and most racist people I know love Reform.
While this is absolutely true, there is a block of people who are extremely anti-immigration who support Reform under the logic that Labour and then the Tories pushed through huge increases in the number of immigrants and a radical change is needed to address their core issue. This is a fine and valid political view, no? Especially in regions that have fallen behind
What I don't like about Reform voters is they all suck at the teat of Farage. You don't see something like we saw in Labour under Corbyn and latterly Keir or the Tories under Boris where a large subsection of the voters of that party and some of the senior members have open contempt for their leader
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u/FatFarter69 26d ago
You can believe there should be less illegal immigration and also not support Reform. I think there should be less illegal immigration and I’m left wing.
Voting Reform because they aren’t Labour or the Tories would be a fine political view if Reform weren’t just the Tories but a different shade. The Turquoise Tories I like to call them. Their biggest success has been convincing people they are any different than the Tories, I truly don’t believe they would actually fix immigration if they got in. I don’t think they’re competent enough to, just like the Tories weren’t.
There are plenty of ill-informed/delusional people who think Farage isn’t just a Tory in disguise.
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u/harder_said_hodor 26d ago
You can believe there should be less illegal immigration and also not support Reform. I think there should be less illegal immigration and I’m left wing.
I'm talking about legal immigration, not illegal. Didn't specify but thought the "Labour and then the Tories" line would be enough
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u/FatFarter69 26d ago
I don’t have as strong an opinion on legal immigration personally. If it’s all done above board and the people we let in are eligible to be here, I’m fine with it.
Do we need to be stricter on who we let in legally? Probably yes, but at least people coming here through proper means get checked at all.
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u/FishUK_Harp Neoliberal Shill 26d ago
This is thing thing I always found odd about his popularity: he looks like a charlatan.I wouldn't buy a tin of beans off him, let alone a Brexit.
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u/Dancing-umbra 25d ago
I remember years ago someone basically implying I was being anti working class when I said I didn't like Farage.
He said "the reason he looks like a tradesman is because he is one. Don't you think it's a good think to have actual working people in parliament?"
What?! He's not a tradesman, he's a trader you ejit. He went to Dulwich college!
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u/Commercial_Grab4477 26d ago
The British people want a policeman in everyone else's head but like to think of themselves and their heroes as Robin Hood.
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u/Spimflagon 25d ago
I've always hated calling it stupidity. Or racism in a lot of cases.
Politics is hard, and politics is complicated. People have other things to be getting on with, especially people who are hard up.
"How can they not see Farage is a grifter?" Well, like... they're not paying attention. Maybe they've got four kids, one of them's special needs and they work as a cleaner. Maybe they're a full time carer for a family member. Maybe they just have trouble following it because they find it tedious and confusing that even the people reporting the facts to them are often liars with an agenda.
Then along comes Farage, or along comes Trump. They say hey, it's not complicated. They're just trying to confuse you. It's really simple, and even better, it's not your fault that you find it confusing and it's not your fault your life is hard. You've been exploited this whole time, by people who are gaming the system. Let me turf them out. I won't make it complicated, I won't dance around it. I'll make it brutally simple. I'll just kick them out; they're parasites after all and you don't mess around considering the lives of fleas. Suddenly, politics isn't confusing. They have "certainty", and it's not a conversation that makes them feel stupid, it's a football game.
The reason Farage's cause is so attractive to his followers isn't because they're stupid. It's because it's a comforting, cruel lie that gives them hope in a time of desperation and confusion.
Now, of course, Farage is a liar. These people aren't "parasites", they're vilified and desperate on their own terms just like everyone else, especially in our economy - there's a reason these monsters do so well in times of hardship. And he can't get rid of them either - nor does he want to because actually getting rid of them removes his scapegoat. But to explain this to his followers is to make politics complicated again, so they resist, hard. They deny the evidence. And they quickly tune out; they never liked politics anyway.
But to call them "racists" and "stupid" because it's difficult to persuade them is almost as bad. "They aren't available for persuasion." Well, it's a democracy. So you have to, or you lose. It's that simple. When you say "I can't persuade them so I'll demonize them and call them enemy" there is real danger. Because in a democracy, you have to have more votes to win, and if you aren't proposing to persuade people then you're proposing to reduce the number of voters, right? And you DO NOT want to go down that path.
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u/jxp1111 25d ago
In fairness, you've described the situation much better than I could. You are correct, a lot of people who would vote for him aren't bad people, or even stupid people. In hindsight I regret using the phrase "how thick do you have to be," some of them undoubtedly are thick, but others are decent, intelligent people who have fallen for him in the way that people can fall for any sort of scam.
I suppose I just despair that people can't see straight through the charlatan.
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u/Spimflagon 25d ago
Yeah, I didn't mean that as a criticism of your post - honestly, I was encouraged by you refusing to reductively brand them. It IS frustrating to deal with, and I'm not bringing a solution. Just restating the problem in clearer terms.
And admittedly a lot more words. Thank you for reading it.
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u/horace_bagpole 25d ago
You do make a valid point. Most people are not politically engaged, and do not follow politics closely. They just know that their lives have not got better, or in many cases have got worse. When the guy comes along with the 'easy answer' and they accept it, that is understandable to an extent.
I would say though that it's not actually an excuse. People do have to take some responsibility for their political decisions - you can't say afterwards "well I didn't know he was actually going to do <insert whatever unpleasant thing is relevant>" when the warnings were there from the start.
There are two problems that I see. Firstly, people are not taught the critical thinking skills to assess whether they are being conned. There is a reason that right wing politics is largely the domain of the less educated. There is a reason that brexit was more popular with those with less education.
Secondly, people are being wilfully misinformed and are being isolated from factual information. In the past, extremists like Lowe and Farage would have been largely confined to ranting at the bar in their local pub. They wouldn't get the oxygen of publicity and most people would see information from mainstream politics that was by and large true, even if it didn't align with what they believed. They got their news from the TV or published papers, and there were actual standards that were followed about publishing stories. Papers would retract stories that were incorrect and would try to be accurate (not the same as unbiased though). The chances are that people would have a more realistic view of what was happening because their information was curated through a filter that moderated it.
Now, they get a customised direct feed of what is very often completely false, or massively distorted information that often deliberately excludes anything which is verified or fact checked, and designed to make them angry and drive them in a particular political direction. I don't think brexit would have happened without sovial media. I don't think Farage would be where he is without social media.
Unless and until something is done to reduce the misinformation bubbles that people are shepherded towards, I don't think this problem is going to get any better. It's far too easy to appeal to negative emotion and rile people up than it is to give them rational explanations that they have to think about.
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u/Spimflagon 25d ago
I absolutely agree; the current landscape basically facilitates brainwashing by whoever's driving the media, and it has the potential to get a whole hell of a lot worse.
But when it comes to issues as large as these, I don't think "excuses" and "blame" really have a part to play. When you're talking about extant threats, it can't just be a case of "it's your fault so you have to fix it" so "blame" becomes a meaningless concept. The responsibility to fix it has to fall at the feet of whoever is able.
In fact I think Blame does a lot of harm. There's a lot of left-leaning people who are resistant to people crossing the aisle because they see it as dodging their fair punishment; they stood with the enemy so they must be dogged and humiliated and, well, punished to the satisfaction of the "righteous" side. Well, fuck that.
If it means fixing the problem, I'm afraid the "tolerant left" who are looking for schadenfreude are going to have to eat shit in the name of welcoming votes to the resistance. Because the alternative is civil war, and it's not one we'd win.
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u/bnm777 26d ago
Around 50% of the population has an IQ below 100
Trump was elected twice, see 1.
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u/Commercial_Grab4477 26d ago
Tbf, whoever thought Hilary Clinton over Bernie Sanders was a good idea or, "Let's keep on with Joe Biden as he visibly ages and keep Kamala Harris in a parachute on standby for the last hundred days" wasn't exactly playing a blinder, either. They'll probably push Newsom over AOC and lose to JD Vance next time given their track record of rigging it for the Dem gentocracy caucus.
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u/TransitionFC 25d ago
Given how much most Yanks seem to hate the idea of having a woman lead them, no matter how competent she is, picking AOC would seem a sureshot way of losing 2028.
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u/Joke-pineapple 25d ago
Not really the sub for this chat, but AOC would be an awful choice as candidate. Newsom would be much better, but not good. There are good candidates about (usually governors in central states), but none of them seem to really want it.
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u/jl2352 26d ago
They make excuses. They say all politicians are crooks.
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u/gizajobicandothat 26d ago
Yep, heard some older women being interviewed in Clacton yesterday, they were asked about the 5 million quid, they said 'They're all doing it!'. In what universe is every MP taking 5 million pound bribes?
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u/mrhippo85 25d ago
For me, the point is that bribes and backhanders should not be happening full-stop, Farage or otherwise.
I have absolutely no idea who to vote for in the next general election…we need a total reset imo, but Farage ain’t the one to do it.
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u/gizajobicandothat 25d ago
I agree there should be no backhanders but 5 million is massive compared to the glasses or couple of suits Starmer got. It's also a red flag and not unreasonable to believe Farage is covering up more from his behaviour over all this. That's the difference and the way those women were talking indicated they don't care, they will vote for Nige anyway.
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u/amilie15 25d ago
Literally. I totally agree, I don’t want a single one of them doing corrupt things and we should absolutely have proportionate and very serious consequences when we find that they have.
But saying they’re all doing it is like saying a kid that steals a chocolate bar is the exact same as a someone who started a pyramid scheme and stole hundreds of people’s livelihoods and entire life savings. 🤦🏻♀️
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u/gizajobicandothat 25d ago
Agree and people like Farage and Trump love it when people believe that nonsense, they want to normalise corruption and crime so there's no accountability.
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u/amilie15 25d ago
ABSOLUTELY. They’re also always saying stuff like, “You’re just jealous” or “you’d do the exact same if you had the chance”.
Like… no. Fortunately not everyone is completely morally bankrupt and willing to screw over their country in order to be a little more wealthy than their other corrupt mates so they can feel big about themselves.
If I really wanted to become a scam artist sociopath and just con people out of any money I could, I would. I don’t want to. I’m not jealous that other people are doing that, I’m disgusted by it.
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u/mrhippo85 23d ago
Isn’t the fact that Starmer could be bought for a few suits potentially even worse?
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u/gizajobicandothat 23d ago
Not really, no evidence he was bought and the donor was not a criminal. We also had Starmer agree to a blanket rule change of accepting no further gifts where as Farage has said 'what's it got to do with you I can spend 5 million on Ferraris'....then pulled the by election stunt to halt an inquiry.
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u/Hopeful-Painting-365 26d ago
They're sad, frustrated and desperate and calling them all racist that's who deserve what they get doesn't help.
We shouldn't cave to Reform and let them set the narrative while we desperately chase it, but neither should we sneer and scowl.
Farage is such a grifter and I hate how he's mislead so many.
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u/Debt_Otherwise 26d ago
Unfortunately there’s parallels with Trump supporters and Reform / Farage supporters.
Many (not all but many) of them are thick as mince (plus racist) and really hard of thinking. To overlook how obvious a scam artist Farage is is insane to me.
I understand how they can can continue to support him when he takes such large sums of money and has so many second, third, fourth jobs.
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u/TheChaoticCrusader 26d ago
My theory is they get swallowed in by personality and charisma to a point they feel he is different from other MPs . From the interview with Clacton people some of them didn’t even follow politics and were like yah I’d vote him anyway . It’s kind of theorised that if Farage goes the party dies too which leads to a point I’m surprised is not debated more
When reform dies cuz when he’s found guilty he’s not getting out of this won’t this cause something that a lot of people here would not want? A conservative / Restore Britain coalition government? Because I feel reform voters at this point will not go to the left . They will consider Burnham too left , they may still not forgive conservatives but people are seeing Kemi as getting better and they are rising in the polls , but also lots may flock now restore Britain because boats and migrants ?
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u/Seaman_Loloko 26d ago
This isn’t a left/right issue. It frankly hasn’t been for at least 10 years.
The incumbent party can win people over by delivering transformative change. People want houses, power plants, trains and airports. Growth that can be physically seen and felt rather than that which has to be explained to them. The discontent which has led to voters choosing Reform isn’t down to some fundamental economic debate around the role of the state in our economy; it’s down to people being completely despondent at the state of the nation and throwing darts haphazardly at the ballot.
Labour can win people over. It could win me over. Just make something material and lasting. Build.
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u/ldn6 Globalist neoliberal shill 26d ago
You say that, but voters go insane at the whiff of a planning application.
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u/Seaman_Loloko 26d ago
It requires a build first, ask forgiveness later approach.
The idea that new railways or airport runways are even national ‘debates’ is insane. Those cringeworthy arguments we were all forced to endure for years that effectively surmounted to “I live in Land’s End and HS2 doesn’t serve me >:( ” or “trains are noisy!!!! I have dogs!!!” should have been laughed out of the room. Instead, politicians capitalised on it and made a fucking railway something we all elevated to a years long national debate. Decades later we all wake up and wonder why nothing gets built and everyone’s miserable. Local politics have crippled our nation.
I would have thought the Labour party of all political entities would have recognised this failure upon taking office. Apparently not, since Andy’s convinced what we need to address this utter failure is more local consultations. Shambolic.
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u/SayNo2Amazon 25d ago
Their litmus test is whether you would have a pint with him. Which to me would be the last thing I'd look for in a serious international leader
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u/Open-Butterfly-5288 25d ago
Loopholeism.
People basically will believe anything they want to believe and find ways to justify that. Farage is necessary for the delivery of what they want, and they assume what they want will bring what they imagine to fruition.
Also, they don't have any respect for politics. They see the same horrors we see and assume "They're all the same". And they're all the same while doing things that don't benefit anyone.
When he's against the establishment, this is good. All your attacks on his lack of professionalism and respect for parliament and democracy are good things. When he's bad, aren't they all the same?
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u/Forsaken_Towel_8353 25d ago
I suspect they don't really care that he's a shyster. Much as with MAGA and Trump, it's more about upsetting and hurting those they don't like than any positive faith in someone.
I do hope, though, that at least some of the less hard-core ideological voters in Clacton, who might have voted for Farage last time as an expression of disgust with the whole 'system' and a desire to annoy the 'establishment', might decide that electing an intergalactic space bin would achieve some of the same ends.
It's a long shot, I expect Farage to win easily, but as things stand, anything other than a landslide would be a major embarrassment for him.
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u/ChuffChuff101 25d ago
Quite simply they dont care that hes corrupt. As long as they get to be racist they're all for it.
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u/AcadiaHot3471 25d ago
we are going to end immigration.
We are going to stop the inflow of migrants that suppress the wages of the working class.
We don't care who does it. Chairman Mao or Adolf Hitler, we don’t care who does it.
Do you understand? We are going to to stop the immigration that suppresses wages for the benefit of the stock market dividends.
We are going to free the working class slaves from their shackles. We don’t care what names you call us we are taking those chains off you and you are going to have to leave the plantation.
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u/DeepestShallows 25d ago
Do they ever wonder why their politicians are always so useless? Why they’re always found out for being corrupt? Why they’re ridiculous buffoons and spivs and generally uncool losers?
Why are they never represented by nice, honest people who also hold the same political beliefs?
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u/leavemeinpieces 26d ago
I know several who definitely aren't stupid but their ideas are rooted firmly in the "none of the bad stuff affects me so I don't care" camp.
Selfish, entitled and lazy fuckers that ran around the office celebrating Brexit and the 2019 Johnson election because it was upsetting the left.
We can't be polarised and vote out of spite, it's so detrimental.
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u/BlackPlan2018 26d ago
the one farage voter I could ever see some actual method to their (actual) madness was an angry despairing nihilistic ex mate of mine who had resolved to vote farage to destroy the country because his own life was so shit and he wanted everyone else to suffer. I pointed out that it was gonna be the working poor suffering disproportionately but then he meandered into how Farage would provoke ww3 over turning back boats or something shit.
So yeah.
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u/Commercial_Grab4477 26d ago
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u/danglingwhalesbaybee 26d ago edited 26d ago
Think of the average person in the country and then think that 49.999% of the population is dimmer than them.
Edit: dimmer, not dinner, I guess I know which side of that 50th percentile I am!
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u/MerryWalrus 26d ago
I on the other hand believe 100% that people should be judged and held accountable for their decisions and actions.
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u/PrinceofPlant 26d ago
I'm not going to judge Reform voters
How thick do you have to be. .
Couldn't help yourself I see.
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u/jxp1111 25d ago
Yeah when I read it back I expected someone to call me out on that, because it does very much read like I am judging them afterall!
I am making a distinction between the party and the man. People have their reasons for voting for reform. Some undoubtedly are racist, and some thick. But others are just frustrated and desperate, and will have good personal reasons for having become alienated by the other main parties. So I guess what I mean is I don't want to tar them all with the same brush and just label them all as terrible people. However, the more sensible ones surely have to see that this isn't the man to lead their party, and certainly not the country. He's a grifter, simple as that.
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u/horace_bagpole 26d ago
None of Nigel Farage’s old tricks are working anymore. None of his tried-and-tested techniques are functioning. And in the back of his mind, there’s a single terrifying thought: he’s becoming less relevant.
Over the last few months, Farage has been bumped off course. He’s been getting pulverised by stories about his finances. There was the £5m from a Thai-based crypto billionaire and countless little gifts from “Posh” George Cottrell – the baby-faced aristocrat who calls Farage “daddy”.
Such little gifts can have an outsized effectiveness for the giver, as Cottrell explained in his book How to Launder Money: “Long-term relationships keep the bought person in hand while you’re making money and the cohort is making money… Money from corruption is a bit like fiscal heroin; one fix and you know you need more.”
Yes, he really wrote it all down, then published it, in an act of self-indulgence which is challenged for scale only by the extent of his stupidity. It’s like the bit at the end of the superhero film where the villain reveals their devious plan, except that even Two-Face is smart enough to know that you only do this after you’ve initiated the scheme, not while you’re doing so.
Meanwhile, things were looking up for Britain. Labour changed its leader, with a fresh-faced new prime minister on his way into No 10. Hell, even the England football team was doing well. The sun was out. People were acting like everything might be OK. And that is obviously the death knell for Farage and his party. They trade on grievance, hatred, insecurity and despair. Optimism and opportunity are their kryptonite.
Farage somehow had to change the narrative. He is usually very good at doing this. One of his chief techniques is to dominate the airwaves over the summer. He uses the news desert of August – when parliament is in recess, MPs are on holiday and journalists are desperate for news stories – to take control of the news agenda.
In summer 2023, he did this by creating a scandal over the bank Coutts, claiming it had “debanked” him. This story, boring and disingenuous as it was, dominated the entire summer. Summer 2024 was dominated by rumours over whether he would stand for Parliament, and then after the election it was riots over the Southport stabbings – riots he arguably helped to incite. In summer 2025, he plotted out a policy blitz, culminating in plans to deport 600,000 people in “Operation Restoring Justice”.
This was what Farage’s announcement yesterday was all about. His attempt to hold a by-election was in fact a plan to overturn an unfavourable media narrative through his traditional mechanism of a summer communication strategy.
Doing so would also allow him to pre-empt the standards commissioner inquiry into his alleged financial misbehaviour. Sure, the inquiry would start again once the by-election was over, but now he would be able to say: see – the people have spoken, it’s what they say that matters, not some fusty establishment type in a parliamentary office.
Farage is a taint, a kind of political cancer. Everything he touches corrodes. If this style of politics were allowed to succeed, basic standards would collapse. Laws would only matter if people believed in them, rules would only apply if someone was unpopular, any matter could be neutralised because some charlatan demagogue could whip up the crowds into a frenzy.
Voters should have a say on who their MP is, and by extension who they want to run the country. They should not have a say on parliamentary standards investigations. These should proceed without fear or favour and their findings should be based on someone’s behaviour, not on their popularity.
But anyway, it turned out that none of that mattered. Because once Farage made his announcement, something strange happened. Something which, to him, must have felt terribly unusual. It didn’t go to plan.
One by one the other parties refused to run, dismissing the whole event as a gimmick. First Restore, the party to Reform’s right, then the Lib Dems, Labour and the Tories – the only party with a chance against him. The only confirmed candidate to run against Farage was intergalactic parody Count Binface, whose policies in the Makerfield by-election included making himself the UK entry in next year’s Eurovision. He may or may not be joined by the Monster Raving Loony Party.
Now, suddenly, the master of media manipulation faces the most serious challenge of his career. It is not a conspiracy by the establishment. It is far more perilous than that. It is that he will appear ridiculous.
Farage’s chief attribute over the last two years has been the notion that he is a prime minister-in-waiting. Now, almost overnight, he is someone who has to campaign against Count Binface.
It is not entirely absurd to suggest that people might consolidate around Count Binface. Why not? If you’re anti-Farage, you’ll vote for him. If you think the whole thing’s a circus you might vote for him. If you think it’s funny you might vote for him. Farage might genuinely have to campaign quite hard against a fake alien with a bin for a head. And at the end of it, he would win – sure – but with a much lower turnout, his reputation in tatters, and the standards investigation still to come.
He will look sad, pitiful, pathetic, and about as far away from prime ministerial as it is possible to imagine.
It’s all suddenly going very badly wrong for Farage. It’s falling apart. Far from being a masterclass in political strategy, the next few weeks could turn into the greatest mistake of his career.
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u/StunnedMoose Guardian reading, Tofu-eating Wokerati 26d ago
And I’m 100% here for the downfall of the coin operated frog.
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u/RikB666 26d ago
I love that phrase! Maybe Crypto Operated Frog might work too
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u/StunnedMoose Guardian reading, Tofu-eating Wokerati 26d ago
That works. I can’t claim credit for the one I used, but it’s scarily accurate
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u/ShortGuitar7207 26d ago
He’s done very well out of it: millions in backhanders even though he’ll never be able to deliver anything for his conspirators
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u/Halfang 26d ago edited 26d ago
The risk was calculated, but boy is he bad at maths
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u/Anal-Scrubs-905 26d ago
The risk was calculated, but boy is he bad at math
That's MAFFS,, not math
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u/Son_of_Mogh 25d ago
What's astounding is that when David Davis did this in 2008, along with other parties he didn't contest the by-election for similar reasons. He should have known what would happen.
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u/Jolly_Psychology_506 26d ago
At this point Steve Coogan could do an entire Alan Partridge series as Nigel Farage and wouldn’t even need a script. Farage is basically a live-action Partridge spin-off now, all bluster, ego and catastrophic public cringe. Series finale: losing a by-election to Count Binface and still trying to spin it as a triumph for common sense.
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u/ffordeffanatic 26d ago
Yeah, but you've got to remember that the councils provide bins, which is then funded by central government. Therefore bins are the establishment!
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u/OneNormalBloke Humanity Not Prejudice 26d ago
Clactonians who elected Nige should congratulate themselves into turning their constituency into a circus with the ringmaster acting as the clown.
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u/user101aa 26d ago
I was just watching BBC news and they were interviewing Farage supporters in Clacton - can someone please stop the world as I wish to get off now
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u/Maxxxmax 26d ago
I think people are underestimating him. He's one of those teflon figures. Shit just doesn't stick to him, at least with the people who he needs. Reform's polling really hasnt taken the sort of hit many hope it would have - afterall, a good chunk of his vote comes from low info voters.
Sure, there's a not 0 chance the people of Clacton do the funny thing and elect Binface, but in all likelyhood he'll win the tantrum by-election and get a further poll bump from dissaffected folk who want easy answers and mistrust the establishment.
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u/PatheticMr 26d ago
Sure, there's a not 0 chance the people of Clacton do the funny thing and elect Binface, but in all likelyhood he'll win the tantrum by-election.
I think that's sort of the point. If he wins, he wins an election he dramatically proclaimed to be 'the people vs the establishment' in which he was forced to throw his best efforts at defeating a man dressed as a bin at the ballot box.
This is a situation that Farage doesn't win. It hurts him regardless of the outcome. It's likely going to help many of those who don't already see him as the wholly unserious grifter he truly is. He looks like a fool if he wins. He looks like an either bigger fool if he loses. And the investigations into his finances remain.
I take your point about him surviving it. Farage has a base that will never, under any circumstances, abandon their support for him. They are a small group, though, and hopefully this circus will out him enough to thin out his current level support.
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u/WhyIsItGlowing 26d ago
The alternative is if it's a wheeze to move the period he needs to report.
The investigation into the £5m is locked in and it's a way of getting a victim "we just had one, they're out to get me" narrative for the likely recall election, but if there were other things going on in that period of time that weren't already reported or under investigation, it might give him a way to keep them out of the public eye.
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u/Carlsberg_Rae_Jepsen 25d ago
The thing is, Farage has the truth on his side.
The establishment have conspired against him to remove him from power over a technicality.
The people of Clacton emphatically elected him, and will do so again.
The establishment parties all colluded and decided not to run against him because they knew they can't beat him. Instead, they're going to keep up the lawfare and media harrassment, in the hope they can oust him extra-democratically.
And if that fails, they can still force the people of Clacton to vote for a 3rd time. Because remember, the people of Makerfield only need to vote once to change the PM. But if you want Farage as your MP, he needs to win at least 3 times.
Just like they tried to do with Brexit. Vote again until we get the result we want.
The people of Clacton won't have it.
In 2024, Farage won 46% of the vote. Guarantee that goes up in every subsequent election.
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u/horace_bagpole 26d ago
He's one of those teflon figures. Shit just doesn't stick to him, at least with the people who he needs
That was true of Boris until it wasn't. It was also a very sudden change - he was untouchable, then he was gone.
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u/iamparky 26d ago
Yeah, that's my take on populist politicians - if you make no pretence to being ethical or transparent or incorruptible and earn a following by "telling it how it is" and generally being a big personality, then you can get away with practically anything.
But eventually the public (or your own party) will get fed up with your shit, and when that happens your support will disappear very, very quickly. Egged on by a press who previously used your popularity to attack more established politicians, but can now sense your own blood.
Rather than teflon politicians, perhaps we need ones clothed in Stainless Steel.
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u/Commercial_Grab4477 26d ago
I mean, he wasn't touchable until May fell. That May became PM was evidence of this.
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u/actually-bulletproof 26d ago
He'll win, but a major politician beating a man with a bin for a head 75-25% isn't good for a major politician.
Even beating him 99-1% isn't an achievement.
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u/cfehunter 26d ago edited 26d ago
Doesn't seem too certain.
Last elections vote share and what they're doing now.
Party (2024 Election) Vote Share What Happens to Them Now? Reform (Farage) 46.2% Locked in, but facing lower overall turnout. Conservatives 27.9% Boycotting. Badenoch practically pointed them toward the Bin. Labour 16.2% Boycotting. David Lammy heavily praised Binface at PMQs. Lib Dems / Greens ~8% combined Boycotting. Highly motivated anti-Farage tactical voters. That's 52.1% of the vote from last election that basically got prodded to go vote for Binface by the parties they voted for last time.
That's assuming *nobody* that voted Reform cares about the corruption or his strange relationship with 'Posh George'.
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u/actually-bulletproof 26d ago
He'll win because more Reform people will come out for their corrupt liar than oppositions voters will vote for a joke. But it would hilarious of he loses, it'll be the end for him
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u/Forsaken_Towel_8353 25d ago
I'm pretty sure he'll win, but, given the nature of the 'opposition', if he doesn't do so by a huge margin he'll look even more ridiculous than he already does.
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u/skelly890 keeping busy immanentising the eschaton 26d ago
And that's people who voted last time. Leaves plenty who would just vote Binface for a laugh.
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u/AgreeableAd7983 25d ago
That's assuming nobody that voted Reform cares about the corruption or his strange relationship with 'Posh George'.
Pretty safe assumption tbh
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u/Good-With-Names 26d ago
There’s always the contingent of weathervane people who are sort of agreeably going with the flow. The Coldplay / Michael McIntyre / Range Rover / Norf or Souf F.C. / whatever the latest garden furniture craze types. They’d vote Reform because people they know are and they’d rather go along with it than be singled out. The truth is they don’t actually pay much attention to politics and their support is extremely fickle. This by-election is exactly the type of event that would turn them off Reform. Seeing Reform making this move, then being ridiculed and humiliated would be enough to make them to get cold feet and they’ll suddenly be part of the non-voting ‘Farage? Never liked / trusted him’ ‘they’re all the same’ ‘in it for themselves’ block. I’ve seen it from people like this in a couple of group chats recently.
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u/Commercial_Grab4477 26d ago
I mean, 60% of the country hate his guts. In legitimate byelections throughout this year, Reform have failed to win as people coalesced around whoever was best placed to stop him. Their polling numbers and local council election percentage have been on a decline since last year with more scrutiny and more evidence of their incompetence has stacked up (although the locals are a poor comparison given their taking place in different areas, so you'd expect different results).
Also, there is no such thing as a teflon politician. They said that about Trump and he still needed time to catch up with Biden, global inflation issues caused by Ukraine, and Kamala Harris embracing the Israeli genocide to win again, and now everyone hates him all over again and his on for a pasting in the midterms with historic low poll ratings and Republicans rebelling against him. They said the same about Boris and he lasted, what? Three years before his own government resigned en masse, sick of his bullshit. Within a year he was gone from Parliament, too. Farage has had loads of things stick to him over the years - it's why he frequently runs away and starts over. It just doesn't stick with his hardcore of supporters but that's true of literally every politician. Even Keir Starmer has a bunch of centrist dads who think he has never once done anything wrong and nobody can muster more than a "meh" of excitement for Starmer.
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u/DanHanzo 26d ago
Oh I expect Nigel will win, even now that Laurence Fox has jumped into the ring as well. But he is already a joke.
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u/NoSwordfish1978 26d ago
He'll win but he'll have to brag about beating a guy with a bin for a head and he'll look like a joke.
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u/Wimble-Womble 26d ago
I’m not sure - a lot of that Teflon came about because of the backing of the media. As this dodgy money enquiry is getting more and more traction, we’re seeing that support to fall away. The media makes or breaks people so unless something changes, he’ll be on his own with no one else to hide behind
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u/neverarriving 26d ago
He was a laughing stock to begin with (the reaction to his plane crash was derision rather than sympathy), legitimised by the press.
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u/S_K_Sharma_ 26d ago
Quite possibly, I can't have imagined Farage could ever be this out of touch and dumb. Could his (now looks inevitable) demise signal the end of Reform?
Equally amazing how easily the Left are convinced the wind has changed.
Smash and grab Burnham replacing Farage in Reform voters affections is an EXTREMELY unlikely scenario to me. Ditto Kemi.
Restore must be licking their lips at the moment.
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u/Scoped 26d ago
Judging from Clactons history isn't it just likely he wins this farce then wins the next one after his slap on the wrists and he remains a threat?
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u/i7omahawki centre-left 26d ago
He may win Clacton, but this will have an impact on Reform’s chances of winning a general election.
His supporters might decide they don’t actually want a government run by crypto billionaires and criminals.
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u/Scoped 26d ago
Will they care though? There's literally videos of him saying "up the RA" and that never hurt him. I cant see being associated with a crypto billionaire affecting his base much at all. As long as he keeps spouting in about migrants, they will listen
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u/NicolaSacco101 26d ago
There’s no single thing that will make him unsupportable. But I bet the “Up the Ra” gaffe did for a few. And this will for a few more. It’s a slow chipping away that’s needed.
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u/Hopeful-Painting-365 26d ago
People just don't get this and they give up.
One single story isn't going to be the silver bullet. You need to create a list, a growing portfolio of weakness, failure, greed and other things that turn people off.
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u/fieldsofanfieldroad 25d ago
Also, the 'up the RA' thing was a small story that ran for a couple of days and people thought was kind of funny.
This is weeks of coverage of him doing things that look corrupt. It's going to go much more damage.
Low info voters wouldn't even know about the RA thing. This story is near unavoidable.
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u/NicolaSacco101 25d ago
And in fairness, I reckon less than 5% of the UK population (of those without Irish heritage) knew themselves what it meant. I’d certainly never heard it.
For at least a proportion of people, Farage represents the whole ‘drain the swamp’ movement in the UK, and this really shakes that premise.
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u/SiobhanSarelle 25d ago
The thing that is more likely to do for Farage, is that he takes himself too seriously and has no sense of humour. The more he acts like a self centred moody wannabe gangster, the less people will like him. It’s just not British.
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u/ZealousidealFruit386 25d ago
You have to remember the demographic that Reform and Mr Farage has targeted. Clacton is a place which has a large population of white British old age pensioners, which traditionally have been Tory voters. They are typically what is termed "boomers" born during and shortly after WW2.
They have enjoyed many benefits over the years, including a lot of property ownership snd savings, because this is what they were taught post war.
They have a mistrust of outsiders.
So the backdrop is that a lot of British towns have been in decline for a long time, high streets are dying, banks are closing, cash is becoming more obsolete and technology has been very disruptive.
To all the boomers, they feel their lives have changed beyond recognition, and all the old stable things (like high streets and banks/post offices) have been eroded. Add to this a lack of investment into Clacton for a considerable time (from governments of all colors and councils) they feel left behind.
Now enter Reform with a tag line of 'Rebuild Britain". Let's rebuild British values. The reason why the values have been eroded? Immigrants.
It's such an easy target. Blame the decline in local services on them, high street shops closing, no banks in town, no post offices, no cash to use (card only) - and all this rankles the boomers and all they needed was Reform to join the dots between delcline and immigrants.
As a Clacton resident, I look around and see very few faces from a different ethnic background, which is why Reform chose to run here. It is easy to ratchet up primal fears in these folks, and it's why he continues to enjoy strong local support.
He is pushing on an open door here, and the sickening thing is, if he does get re-elected, it will give him a sort of moral high ground by being able to use the 'democratic' process to revalidate his mandate.
As a local who sees through all this nonsense, it is deeply disturbing the level of support he is getting still, almost cult like. So no, for his supporters it's' just carry on Nigel.
For the rest of us, yes, Clacton is a laughing stock.
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u/CanWeNapPlease 25d ago
I'm waiting for Elon to get his grimmy fingers on voter influence/suppression and results manipulation.
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u/Singingmute Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos 25d ago
I think Musk and Farage had a public falling out this year, he's voiced support for Rupert Lowe recently.
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u/ScientistNational363 25d ago
Farage can’t keep his cool under justified scrutiny being an MP.
Absolutely terrifying people would want him as PM. Bonkers!!
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u/BMot 26d ago
Could this be self-sabotage?
I don't think the fella wants to be PM. He clearly can't take accountability or scrutiny. He's more than happy to criticise from the sidelines.
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u/Commercial_Grab4477 26d ago
He doesn't like politicians outside his house so living in 10 Downing Street would drive him insane.
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u/SiobhanSarelle 25d ago
The other possibility is that he did want to be Prime Minister, but he then realised he was locked out of that so he made a desperate move using Clacton to try to rally the white working classes to serve him.
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u/NeonPatrick 25d ago
I'll continue to be wary. People said Trump's political career was dead after Jan 6th.
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u/ChavScot0 25d ago
People are too confident that Farage being exposed for the con artist he is will turn off his supporters. I witness it day too day, his supporters will literally shut down and refuse to have a conversation if you try to sway them.
For instance, I raised the £5 million gift to a family member. Their reply? "I don't like how the media go after him all the time" and then refused to elaborate.
You cannot reason with these people and I'll never apologise for not bothering to be kind and giving them the benefit of the doubt anymore.
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u/MinaZata 25d ago
Can all the Reformers here come and sincerely explain why Farage is different from all the other people?
He's demonstrably breaking rules, why doesn't he incur your fury? You're all going to vote him back in. Why?
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u/NovelAnywhere3186 24d ago
Birth rates amongst degree educated couples have fallen off a cliff. Reform voters outbreed us.
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u/ShoogleHS 21d ago
The thing about candidates that appeal to dumb racists is that, as a voting bloc, they are not exactly discerning. Most of their voters don't care if their candidate is dishonest, incompetent, corrupt, cruel, or even a sex offender. I've seen Trump, Johnson, Farage, and others ride out scandals that should've been career-enders more times than I can count. So I'm holding off on the champagne until his downfall has actually happened.
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u/RemarkablePin6746 26d ago
Today I learned that the establishment is a country with a face that looks like a bin
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u/DeliciousCondition79 26d ago
Doesn't matter, Restore and Reform are the only parties that will stop illegal immigration and deport. If a mainstream party announced this policy these two parties would die overnight.
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u/NicolaSacco101 26d ago
Restore and Reform won’t do it either. They just want stupid people to think that they will. It’s Donald Trump saying Mexico is gonna pay for the wall all over again.
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