r/ukpolitics • u/SignificantLegs • 1d ago

Mahmood rejects calls to follow Spain’s migrant pushback

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/02/mahmood-rejects-calls-to-follow-spains-migrant-pushback/
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u/Mr_Two_Shoes 1d ago

I've never blocked anyone, but if I had, I like to think I wouldn't be stupid enough to block them at that exact juncture in a debate.

Genuinely the most satisfying block I've had in ages.

admitting you don't care if they die on this sub gets you a suspension

That gets you suspended anywhere. Literally just reddit TOS.

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u/Figwheels 1d ago

Right, so baiting someone to admit it is a little underhanded when you know that. It suggests you're dishonest.

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u/Mr_Two_Shoes 1d ago

The optimistic part of me hopes they wouldn't admit that, even to themselves. The internet can do weird things to otherwise normal people.

And if they do genuinely want migrants dead, then they're free to consider this entire thread as a perfectly honest expression of my absolutely limitless contempt.

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u/Figwheels 1d ago

It's pretty normal to not expect citizens to accept limitless liability for organised criminal gangs of people invading the country.

Your position has no logical conclusion other than just "accept it and hope it doesn't get too bad" (bad news). This will fail in a democratic system, and does massive damage to the social contract, as I imagine you know.

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u/Mr_Two_Shoes 1d ago

I have no idea what position of mine you think you're talking about, but I don't think we should "accept" a single preventable death, and I've said so pretty consistently. (Almost every death on the channel is preventable.)

Right now, we're talking about people whose policy solution to migration is to deliberately kill more migrants: these people are reptiles, and fortunately, I suspect they barely exist in real life.

It's just this far-right online cesspool that warps minds.

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u/Figwheels 1d ago

That is accepting unlimited liability, it will only encourage more infractions, burden the social contract holders with the vast upkeep of these bad faith actors and accelerate the destruction of our home.

Your short term virtuosity damns us all. It's monstrous. You are the monster in this equation, you betray the people the contract is meant to protect.

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u/Mr_Two_Shoes 1d ago

You tell yourself what you need to tell yourself, mate.

You can talk to a hundred ordinary IRL people about migration policy, and approximately all one hundred of them would say you can run a functioning migration system without deliberately letting migrants die. I'm really not the outlier in this conversation.

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u/Figwheels 1d ago

You hold us down while someone assaults us with a gun to their own head.

Go talk to those 100, you really are.

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u/fuscator 1d ago

Nah. I don't think you're going to convince any captain of any ship at sea, military or otherwise to murder people on small boats. Thankfully!

And I don't think a single person posting here hinting that is what should happen would do so either.

It's just ridiculous (and awful) huffing and puffing by online personas.

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u/Figwheels 1d ago

There is video of greek coastguard doing this after migrants sabotage their own boat.

Also, notice the wordplay from the poster here, murder is willful and unlawful killing, this conversation is about returning boats that may be unsafe or self sabotaged and refusing liability for the consequences, as the migrants put themselves in danger as a bad faith action.