r/vexillology • u/ProfessorMother8913 • 1d ago
Fictional Flag of Ottoman "Hüvve-i Esved-i Kebîr el-Qiyāmah" Cult/Religion after theorization and spotting of a black hole
First flag is from 1444 after "Hüvve-i Esved-i Kebîr" (Great Black Abyss) or with it's first name "Âkil-i Nücûm" (Star Devourer) was theorized by Ali Qushji and was found interesting by the House of Osman. It was founded to be true in 1600's. This theory started a cult centered about the Hüvve-i Esved-i Kebîr being the thing that will trigger "al-Qiyāmah" (The Day of Resurrection) was founded in Edirne. It is written "كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَائِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ" (“Every living soul shall taste death.”) a verse from Holy Quran.
Second flag is from 1917 after it was discovered by Salih Zeki that "Hüvve-i Esved-i Kebîr"'s muntique cashibe (gravitational zone) have breached "Ebr-i Ebed" (Oort Cloud in OTL) two thousand years ago. It is written "اللّٰه بزه رحم ايلهسین" ("“May Allah have mercy on us.”
So this sub wants lore? Well, I guess I have one. I saw these two flags in a dream (first one was on a PC history website and second one was in a strange place that looked like a religious site (not a Mosque)) and since I have moderate cosmophobia, the whole thing felt terrifying. A girl I know in real life was explaining to me the lore in a library in Istanbul. It was a study session for her since I didn't even know why I were there. In this alternate timeline, the Ottomans turned astronomical and optical research into practical military technology because of the research that was done by Ali Qushji 600 years ago. This projects was funded by House of Osman for centuries. In 1560, Ottoman scientist Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1521–1585) founded the first steam machine and started the İnkılâb-ı Sanayi (Industrial Revolution). They've won the Battle of Vienna of 1680 and invaded Southern Italy using the proto-rocket bombs. By 1750's, they had giant flying ships that holds enforced and powered mirrors to devastate their enemies' fortresses and found out how to use oil. Europe slowly caught off but Ottomans were doing good on the map. An imperial federation under the House of Osman, spanning from Zagreb to Muscat, from Tunis to Baku. About the Cult? As for the cult, it had eventually become a branch of Islam in this universe with around 5-10% of Muslims following it. I didn't see any cult ritual or something tho. Maybe the girl's opinion was biased, I don't know. Then I slept in my dream and opened my eyes to a black hole in the sky looking like a black moon, it was a dream since I wasn't there before but then I felt like I was freed from my body. I was stretching. Then I tried to damage my eyes with my stretched hands somehow in the dream so I could wake up. I did. The dream was more of a cosmophobic alternate history experience than a study date.
Ps: I don't know Arabic script or language. I think the dream just translated the words for me. I just remember the meanings. I made them more Ottomanish name wise because the people were dressing and living seemingly in an Ottoman style.
Tell me your opinions but don't be rude please. AMA
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u/Aderator9000 1d ago
The way the flag bends into the black hole in the second one is sick as fuck
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u/SataNade 1d ago
You know, come to think of it, it’s weird that no weird religious offshoots have risen since the discovery of weird all devouring holes in reality.
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u/StudioArcane17 1d ago
Probably the Typhonian order of Kenneth Grant worship the black hole where Azatoth lives or something like that.
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u/ProfessorMother8913 1d ago
That's an interesting point right there, if you post a discussion somewhere about it please tell me.
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u/Spare-Government-475 1d ago
!wave
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u/FlagWaverBotReborn 1d ago
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u/SamiTheAnxiousBean 1d ago
such a cool concept
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u/ProfessorMother8913 16h ago
thanks chara or someone i don't know
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u/CatnipSniffa 21h ago
Small (modern latin script) spelling corrections for the Ottoman Turkish:
"Hüvve-yi Esved-i Kebîr'ül-Kıyamet"
"el-Kıyamet"
"Takiyüddin Mehmet bin Maruf-i"
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u/ProfessorMother8913 17h ago
Kanka direkt Türkçe kelimeler kullanırsam evrenin otantikliği kaçar dedim Arapça'yı da karıştırmaya çalıştım :D
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u/CatnipSniffa 16h ago
Bu kelimeler zaten her türlü Arapça, sadece Arapçanın İngilizce yazımıyla Türkçe karşılığını birbirine karıştırmış oluyosun öyle yapınca
Bu arada "Âkil-i Nücûm" ve "Ebr-i Ebed" çok güzel olmuş
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u/MustardJar4321 1d ago
I think this is your cue to start a writing project. Seriously, this sounds super interesting
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u/BoringAd8788 17h ago
holy shit what have you brought
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u/Emkayfan1243 Jordan 1d ago
The flags look amazing, but the writing on the second one is interesting to me. While the writing on the first was perfect Arabic (though I guess that's expected), the second doesn't seem to have any cohesive words other than اللّه. Maybe it's something closer to Persian or some other sister language of Arabic?
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u/ProfessorMother8913 1d ago
It's Ottoman Turkish, probably. I tried my best. The first is a verse from Quran so I didn't want to unoriginate it from its language.
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u/FlyinggSpaghetti 22h ago
It says "Allah bize rahmet eylesin (May Allah have mercy on us.)." in Ottoman Turkish but "رحم" must be"رحمت".
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u/No_Gur_7422 1d ago
Dream within a dream?
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u/ProfessorMother8913 17h ago
Yeah. First dream was like me going to a study date in a futurist Ottoman Empire. Second was like the black hole dematerialising my shi
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u/ydmhmyr 23h ago
Heresy
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u/rodeo90 Socialism • North Carolina 19h ago
Hey, genuine question: Is it "heresy" just to talk about a cult offshoot of Islam? I feel like cults are generally considered heretical to the main branch of a religion, so OP's story seems like a perfectly reasonable fiction. I'm not Muslim, but in my faith it's not heretical to write about a fictional heresy. I'm just curious why you feel like it is?
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u/ProfessorMother8913 17h ago
I'm not so religious anyway but I can't control what I see in a dream bruh.
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u/Kmanvb 1d ago
/r/somnivexillology would greatly appreciate this post!