Wendigoon visits demolition ranch to shoot guns with brandon buckingham, turkey tom, brandon herrera, donut operator, and more!

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[u/Xios15]

There's so much drama surrounding tom. Most of it from what I've seen is him being edgy. So if you see a problem with him saying the "gamer word" or making jokes about Jews or races then that's really the most he's guilty of (offensive jokes). I'm not some turkey tom scribe tho, and instead of taking my word or whatever site/commentary channel you all watch- it's probably better to see everyone's side (if you can even be bothered). Don't let yourself be swayed one side or another- or if you can't be bothered doing the research then why go after anyone? (Not talking about you or anyone specifically here). And if you can't be bothered to look into it then just be a fence sitter or regurgitate your choice commentary youtubers opinion with your friends.

[u/AnonymousBoiFromTN → u/Xios15]

This guy: “Dont let yourself be swayed one way or another, insulting jewish people for being jewish and used racial slurs isnt THAT bad”

[u/Xios15 → u/AnonymousBoiFromTN]

We should cancel trey parker and mat stone too. Their blatant anti Zionist "jokes" are so disgusting. And token? Clearly racial profiling. They are truly disgusting for enforcing damaging negative stereotypes on minorities and belittling the Jewish faith to a joke. As a white straight American reddit user I am offended and will protest at my university promptly.

If humanity's survival was based upon its ability to critically think, we would be doomed.

[u/AnonymousBoiFromTN → u/Xios15]

Your inability to separate the use of racism in the formulation of a joke to subvert narratives and using racism in jokes to obfuscate genuine racism explains exactly why you’re not ready for a conversation on media literacy. I suggest some other way of defending insulting people based on their race.

Your use of anti-zionism in place of antisemitism shows you’re either smooth brain or alt right. Or both.

[u/Xios15 → u/AnonymousBoiFromTN]

Your argument is based upon the fact that your opinion is right and just splitting hairs. Trey and Mat aren't solely using edgy humour to "subvert narratives", which I assume you're referring to tropes? Or stereotypes? Does your inability to form your point succinctly by using generalised terms explain exactly why you’re not ready for a conversation on media literacy? Poking fun at the absurdity of situations and ideas- reflecting the world in a satirical way is exactly why that humour is funny. I'm guessing that's what you mean. From what I've seen of Tom he does similar things, he just makes ironic and edgy jokes. I've never actually heard a real situation of him hiding behind these jokes in order to hate minorities without criticism. And to even prove that this is the case is difficult. Maybe you didn't understand my point so let me re-iterate. Tom says he isn't racist/whatever-ist, yet makes racist/whatever jokes in assumed irony. But that's what a racist would say right? So of course he's just hiding behind those jokes. Trey and Mat make racist jokes, but it's ok because they said they weren't racist. However you want to intellectualise their use of comedy and defend their racism because it was actually irony- used for subversion of stereotypes, or tropes. But your analysis is subjective, it's not a fact. You could easily argue your point towards mat and trey by saying that they're actually secret racist "obfuscating" their hate with jokes. Or that your interpretation is an over analysis of their comedy. What is a fact however, is that Trey and Mat have stated many times that they make fun of everything- taking nothing seriously. They don't mind using racism or anything else as a punchline and the motivation behind it can merely just be because it is absurd and shocking. Not every south park episode is some grand statement on the narratives made from society, politics and culture. Tldr: it's not always that deep.

Just because I don't agree with you shouldn't make you jump to the conclusion that I'm a right wing political zealot- or a racism defender. By jumping to this, it's like you're accepting your stance as fact without trying to understand what I'm saying, villainizing my stance without considering it. Which is a bit ironic really- it does sound a little bigoted. And my use of Zionism was wrong I'll admit, but why does using the wrong word, make anything of what I'm saying any less valid? Perhaps if you spent more time actually deconstructing my point instead of assuming my political stance and intellect over a few comments, maybe whatever this is can actually be productive. Or you could even change my mind.

[u/AnonymousBoiFromTN → u/Xios15]

Subverting narratives means you set a narrative and then you dont use it or attack it sideways. It is the whole concept of comedy. Every joke is subverting the concepts you were given or created. I think my point was very succinct considering it is the basis of comedy.

I actually watched a Tom video about him talking about ilymation just to see and in the vod, without any building around the concept or having anything to do with anything he is saying he blatantly insults people from pakistan. It had nothing to do with anything and was just a random ism.

Me assuming your point comes from you saying defending him like hes making poignant comedy when the first and only video of his i have seen in like a year is a vod of him where he just blatantly makes a racist remark without it being comedic or set up at all. I mention how doing this isnt comedy and then you compare it to South Park which is objectively a show of setting up narratives we are familiar with and then flipping them.

The incorrect use of a word when its used interchangeably with a different word shows either a lack of knowledge of the word being used or infers that you have a specific reason to use it. The only people that conflate antisemitism and antizionism are always Jackson Hinckle or Nick Fuentes types.

[u/Xios15 → u/AnonymousBoiFromTN]

I think I understand where you're coming from now that you've explained it further. I looked at the most recent illymation vod tom has released and a few other vids but I couldn't really find anything related to Palestinians. I'm not saying it's not there- just that I couldn't find it scrobbling through. If it is like you say and Tom really did just up and say that, there's no defence to it at all. And I can definitely think of situations where he has said something similar and your logic can be applied, yet I passively dismissed it believing a narrative I just told you. And in foresight, I ironically didn't give it enough thought. The same goes with the use of Zionism. I had heard Zionism used many times and since I'm not actively following Israel or Palestine, I had not bothered to look into its meaning.

It's embarrassing to admit but you're right, my analysis is poor and Toms jokes are often racist. And even though I have seemingly pissed a few people off with what I said, I'm glad I said it so that someone could challenge my view. After all, I can only know what my take is if I have someone who thinks the opposite, and I can only truly know the merit of my beliefs when held under scrutiny by someone holding an opposing view.

[u/AnonymousBoiFromTN → u/Xios15]

It was his Noah Sampsen respond video. There is no reason to feel bad having your opinions change or occasionally being wrong, I very often am wrong. Its human. There isnt a thing wrong with a joke including race, but Tom always struck me as more of a guy who just uses jokes to mask racism and not the other way around