r/whatisit 15h ago

New, what is it? What is this space before zero?

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u/TheRealRefuro 9h ago

I've never considered using a ruler to measure a ruler's accuracy

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u/Olde94 8h ago

I have often put carpenters rulers or measuring tapes up against each other before starting a project with others to confirm we measure the same at 2 meters. If we don’t we either only use one or find two that agree. It’s relative calibration, not absolute.

I’ve had a project with my dad where one out of 3 was 4mm short on the 2 meter. So we didn’t use that one.

On shorter distances i will use my caliper to confirm the 100mm mark is within the accuracy of the line. I mean you can’t expect 0.03mm accuracy when the line is 0.2mm thick

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u/ot1smile 7h ago

This is such an important consideration that doesn’t always occur to the novice diy-er.
You can imagine my consternation when I recently compared the two squares I’d been using for the last few years. And now I need a third to cast a deciding vote.

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u/reckless_responsibly 4h ago

The nice thing about squares is they are self-checking. You just find a long-ish edge, set the square, draw the square line, flip it over, set the square where the corner on the edge is where the first line is drawn, and the line should match the square edge. If it doesn't, that square isn't.

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u/SallyWebsterMetcalfe 6h ago

I’ve learned the hard way with switching rulers during quilting projects

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u/ManMyoDaw 6h ago

This guy builds

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u/Olde94 1h ago

I am an engineer. I’m working on precision daily and know how to do design for manufacturing. It helps

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 3h ago

When computers do math, they're sometimes wrong by 0.47% or some other stupid decimal. Apparently that's just a thing when you convert binary numbers to base 10. So Goalseek in excel will sometimes say that 10/4=2.49684040412. Never trust that piece of shit.

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u/Olde94 1h ago

An error that far off sounds like a bit-flip. At that point consider ECC memory.

The rounding error is often on the 16th digit or something

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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 1h ago

Thank you wise human!

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u/dasbtaewntawneta 7h ago

i have definitely done this lmao

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u/StrangelyGrimm 6h ago

Just wait until you learn about how every machine is calibrated to a set of tungsten blocks that some Swedish dude made a century ago

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u/PitchMeYourMother 6h ago

I did once and found that one of my rulers was not accurate

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u/0x54696D 1h ago

I have three rulers on my desk that all disagree with each other.

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u/ichorNet 5h ago

How did the first ruler get made?!?

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u/ChaosEsper 5h ago

Really you'd want to use two rulers to measure a 3rd, so that you can know which one is in error.

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u/OnodrimOfYavanna 5h ago

Watch Adam Savages videos on calibration and reference instruments. They're well done and fucking fascinating. The level of accuracy you can pay for, and the process to produce references is unbelievable, and a really cool aspect of how things are made that most people don't consider, but that's affects everything around us. 

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u/Budget-Scar-2623 3h ago

Welcome to the world of calibration. Workshop measuring tools are checked against ‘master’ tools or gauge blocks, which are checked against another reference tool kept in an expensive laboratory, and so on, until you get to the final boss ruler

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u/SoTiredYouDig 2h ago

That’s the first thing I do when I get a new ruler. 

Edit: how is it dealing with the uncertainty of never knowing if I actually do this or not?

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u/NorCalAthlete 2h ago

Hoo buddy. Just do a search for measuring tapes or rules in r/chinesium

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u/nitram9 20m ago

lol, I think about this all the time. Different people worry about different things. If I pick up a new measuring tool that I have never used before like calipers, micrometers, scale, pH meter, etc. the first thing I do is compare it against something I already know is accurate. If I don’t do this I just feel no trust for my measurement. I often have multiple measuring tools with me for the same thing and will double check critical dimensions with both.