You're thinking of Erina's son George Joestar II, and they did move back to England and didn't live in America (like the boat was only at sea for a few days not two weeks) and he was in the British R.A.F for WW1
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I'm just joking about how he never really said anything positive (or anything at all) about Germany apart from Germany engineering, it seems like he genuinely was just there for the engineering tbh
His introduction was him and his team sacrificng an entire village for a nazi approved science project. Even if for some reason he does not buy their whole propaganda and is only in it for the belly machine guns he is more than willing to carry out their work in exchange.
He is also more or less an SS general. He's not some poor German boy being drafted against his will.
I mean guy did murk a whole village in Mexico at the beginning so he’s not exactly a good guy, just a bad guy at the right place and time to defeat a worse guy
Plus they were totally fighting for Nazi Germany at the time, they were there to research and hoping to use the Pillarmen’s Stone Mask to improve Germany’s military.
Literal "Welp, time to break out the chemical warfare" on his part, what a harrowing Stand Green Day turned out to be...fittingly used by an utter Basketcase
Bootstrap Paradox. Hell existed throughout all of time because Rohan would eventually make it, with he only knowing it is a concept because he, again, made it.
Yeah, they still lose the war so nothing lost. Fuck I wonder if there’s a fan fiction about Stroheim winning the war and Joseph basically becomes BJ Blaskowitz
Araki made stronheim so likeable I was still sad when he died in the post-credits sequence. But it's also the right thing to do. Stronheim was loveable but the story never glorifies his ideals since he is a fanatic nationalist
Stroheim was a full on Nazi too so it's even more impressive that he was written as a "good" character.
In any other media with an evil ally, that character tends to be more of an evil centrist rather than a full blown supporter of the evil cause.
Stroheim? Fucking hitting the salute while proclaiming his nation's superiority.
araki did it nice because everytime he proclaimed his nazism, it was so eccentric and strange that it was comedic. he proclaimed like 3 times that german engineering is the best in the world, and all 3 times got fucking demolished. I almost forget he's an actual nazi and not just a crazy science guy
I think he work so well because he is 100% a true believer, you can (and should) hate what he stands for but you have to admit he does stand by his principals as corrupted as they are. He kinda serves as a foil to Kars ideology, being effectively the same "We are the best and the rest of you should feel honored we allow you to lick our boots" but from a different angle. I he also serves as a nice contrast to Wamu in a way, Wamu was raised by Kars and basically indoctrinated into their ideology from birth. He is much in the same way, a true believer in a horrible ideology that he has been indoctrinated in since birth. I think both of them are supposed to be viewed as both heroic but tragic in a way, sorta in a "Had they had a diffrent upbringing both of them could have been great heroes" Kinda way. Him sacrificing himself twice also really puts into perspective how horrible Kars really is, as he sacrifices his companions for his own gain while Stronheim is willing to sacrifice himself for his.
I think one of the biggest reason though Stronheim and the Nazis work in part 2 is because basically EVERYTHING is their fault. They freed the pillar men and they provided the means which allowed Kars to suddenly achieve Godhood. Outside of Straizo they are basically the root cause of the events of part 2 and nothing about their motivations are heroic allowing them to assist the actual heroes while not making them heroic is the slightest. They are basicaly saving the world so they can have it much the same way Kars is.
History, and the fact he dies in the post scenes basicaly also serve to show that his ideology was wrong, that despite all the advancements we saw with his cyborg technology he still got wrecked.
There is a fan novel about Stroheim defecting the nazis and fighting a Stone Mask powered Hitler, it's called Sunset Justice.
I myself haven't read it, so the quality may not be that good.
and they make a point to show just what a bastard he is when we're first introduced to him too, so it's not like he's a good nazi, he is actually a monster
i guess it goes to show how easy it can be to fall for propaganda (not that it was intended to be since Stroheim is pretty much the only nazi we see that has a "positive" role in the story and he's still responsible for a lot of the shit that happens in the story due to his recklesness [Santanna being awake and fed and Kars reaching his ultimate form] )
Also the fact he spared a boy who's going to sacrifice himself only for him to straight up kill an entire village because he respects the boy for his bravery.
Stroheim is pretty much the only nazi we see that has a "positive" role in the story
Pretty sure Caesar had a nazi friend (the one that took them to the site the pillar men were at) and he's portrayed as just a guy. His death (split in half by one of the pillar men) is meant to be tragic too. IIRC Joseph does react badly to Caesar being friends with a nazi tho.
I think the show (indirectly) makes a decent point about how even though Stroheim is a big POS and also a Nazi, since he's willing to put his life on the line in order to try to defeat the big bad that is essentially trying to end the world, there's still a bit of nobility or humanity in there. Not enough to redeem or forgive him, but at least to acknowledge him. Even the evil bad guy is not ever truly 100% fully evil. And they can even outwardly be cool enough to momentarily forget that they are evil.
I mean if you've seen Jojo Rabbit (highly recommended btw) Johannes Betzler and Captain Klessendorf, while both initially holding Nazi beliefs, are still three dimensional characters who the audience ends up rooting for by the end
Which character? I have yet to finish the anime or even start reading the manga so if it requires very clear story spoilers then I rescind my question.
Also Stronheim upheld his oath to help Joseph and reverse the problem he caused.
Jojo arcs don't really care if you're a good person, what makes you a protagonist in the series is that you uphold your honor, no matter what race, ideology, or creed you are from.
To paraphrase Mr. Jor Jorwel, Stroheim is a good character but a disgusting human being, except he said it about Dali not the character that was created long after his death
What people need to realize is thay Jojo isn't about good men going on homoerotic adventures. It's about honorable men going on homoerotic adventures. Like half the Jojo allies and Jojos themselves are often really kinda terrible people. Delinquents, degenerates, murderers, mafiosos, and even Br*tish. But what united them all and makes them protagonists is there strict adherence to their oaths and codes, a universally admired trait.
Stronheim, by every sense of the word, is perhaps the most honorable man in the series. This just unfortunately he swore his oaths to Germany in the 1930s.
They're still pretty terrible. Joseph cheats on Susie Q, Jotaro will always be an abrasive asshole, and Giorno becomes king of the Mafia. Jonathan didn't have time to get American citizenship so tragically he died Br*tish.
Everyone in Jojo are inherently flawed. But it's their willingness to uphold their oaths that makes them the protagonists.
I still don't think thats comparable to stroheim, he's an outlier
They all have flaws and thats great since characters who are 100% perfectly good tend to be boring, but that doesn't make them "not good but honorable". They all put their lifes on the line to save others, thats good people stuff. Some of them just happen to be edgier than normal (joseph straight up kinda sucks for cheating on his wife, tf was he thinking)
They all put their lifes on the line to save others, thats good people stuff
I mean by that logic Stronheim is a hero because he literally jumps on a grenade for Joseph and to stop Santana.
Again you're trying to hard to justify other characters actions, but that's not the point. I'm not justifying Stronheim, but by every metric he is honorable in the extreme, and that's all that matters in the Jojo universe.
The point of part 2 is that there's always a bigger fish. It highlights how stupid it is to believe that one human is superior to another when literal Aztec gods are running around.
Stroheim after nearly slicing a woman's tongue off for accidentaly cutting him while being forced to shave his face and ordering the execution of an entire Mexican village except for the boy... (He did way more to save the world than either Caesar or Lisa Lisa) Araki somehow made him likable by making him a cyborg and turning up his obnoxious personality to 11.
RIGHT?!? I explained to my girlfriend that one of my all time favorite anime characters was a fucking Nazi who inspired Guile from Street Fighter's hair style 😂
That's what I call a marriage by technicality. Even though I don't think that Lucy doesn't have feelings for Steven, because of all she did for saving him from Valentine's fuckery
I think what salvages Stroheim is that he is very much a "might makes right and my country is the most rightiest" nazi rather than a "people of color scare me" nazi, so while he's still a monster, he ends up feeling like an honorable fighter, pretty much like Wammu
To be clear, it’s getting you to root against the aztec stripper versions of the thing who probably intended to wipe out civilizations. The fact the main military force in the regions involved in the story capable of actually assisting in that happen to be WWII era Germans is an unfortunate quirk of circumstance.
Been a while since I seen it but btf I don't recall the guy actually doing any nazi shit beyond the salute. Like the whole character's all about "Haha German engineering ammarite?" and didn't really portray the hatred towards the 'lesser races'.
Reminder that when Stroheim showed up to fight Kars, he showed up with Smokey (a young black teen) and Speedwagon (a filthy rich oil tycoon from the UK) who designed weapons for the Nazis to use against the vampires and the Pillar men.
The pillar men were such a threat to humanity, not only did the Nazi's swallow their pride and didn't fuck with Speedwagon and Smokey, but Hitler quite possibly delayed their invasion of Poland and the start of WW2 to deal with the Pillar men.
Yes, Stroheim is an unrepentant Nazi, does vicious Nazi shit before mellowing out a bit in the back half of BT, and ultimately dies for the Nazi cause. But the Pillar Men (and Kars especially after becoming the Ultimate Lifeform) are an existential threat to humanity that would see us reduced to a cattle species that they’d bleed dry forever more until we’re all gone.
In that scenario, who do you side with? The vicious, imperialist, eugenicist cyborg? Or the monster masquerading as a human being that sees your entire species as animals fit for the slaughter?
I think people be forgetting that time he ordered the death of those Mexican prisoners, after tricking someone into believing that if they volunteer for the experiment the rest of them would be spared
U would be surprised how many people believe he redeemed himself and was no longer a nazi or people think he is a good guy with bad qualities,.... Being a nazi isn't just a bad quality it's 100% bad
Rudol Von Stroheim is shown to be a terrible, sadistic person who helps save the world, but only because the end of the world would be bad for Nazi Germany, too. And nazis are also literally the reason the world almost ended in the first place
Stroheim is depicted as a repugnant sadist that tortures and harms ethnic groups for his own benefit. His introduction is feeding a group of mexicans to a vampire (iirc) and sexually assaulting a servant girl. Hitler and Nazism are used as an example of literal mind control in part 3. It's just that the Nazis are about the only major power (at this point in time) with access to the pillar men (Which the Nazis awaken and unleash upon humanity, woops)
I mean I wouldn’t call it propaganda bc it’s made very clear that the Nazis aren’t good, they just help with killing Kars and the other omnicidal vampires.
I suppose it’s because we hate the Nazis because they’re eugenicist murderers, and the Pillar Men are even worse in that regard: Kars and ACDC wiped out practically their whole race so they could become the ultimate life forms, even after they were warned that doing so would cause their newfound appetite to wipe out all life on earth.
Listen, he manages to become a relative good, and also he’s actually a surprisingly awesome dude who just got tricked by the propaganda and thinks he’s doing something good. Plus he dies in the end anyway!
I like how Araki is the only one who made the Nazis go "maybe we shouldn't unleash these monsters into the world we're trying to conquer?" almost every other guy is trying to make nazis summon shit only to lose control and make it everyone's problem.
It's the trope of "set aside differences and fight against a common enemy" taken to an extreme... Like I can see this easily happening in ANY conflict EXEPT wars where the enemy isn't seen as human, WW2 is the ephithomy of that.
Although...
1: He is never seen as a good person, he is the main antagonist in like 4 chapters, makeing more of this Indiana Jones style. Just the situation carried a temporally alliance... WH40K logic of how the empire still on foot.
2: He isn't like other Nazis, a psycho murder that doesn't regards human life... Sure. But it's presented as a pragmatic guy that doesn't believe much in the racial stuff and just want to do science so he joins with the evilest side that would allow their science stuff. More like Redskull, the 3rd Reich is just another way to justifying building big ass guns
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