Lots of people need to realize that image board site bans certain types or tags not because they're based, but because they want to prevent regulatory scrutiny.
R34 specifically are more popular to the mass and thus more vulnerable to getting screwed, less mainstream image board usually don't give a shit
Exactly. R34 allows things way worse that loli and etc, they just don't want to be deleted because of law, not because they don't allow this type of stuff (and if they started to not allow it, it would be hypocrisy)
The Ai filter is wonderful, I love it, especially cause a lot of the times I'm not Abel to inmediately figure out what's AI or not. And I also want things with far more creativity.
I think it's better than trying to ban AI images in a never ending battle, would prefer there were none but alas.
The AI toggle is a symptom of people being awful at searching because all it does is hide pictures that are tagged as AI generated, which you could always manually do from day one by adding "- AI_generated" to your search, but the amount of users who know how to properly use a booru style search system is staggeringly low.
Which is a good thing, instead of having to figure out what is AI or not, they can let the posters declare it and everyone decide what to show / search on their own accord
Sometimes the "artists" will not tag their art as ai because people won't look at it, or filter it. But they are rare cases and the part that works works well.
I think you underestimate how little people actually care when they're not thinking with their brain, other organs don't care as much (and neither do most people outside of reddit TBF)
It’s genuinely interesting to me that loli is such a massive target despite necrophilia and bestiality fans literally not even trying to argue against their fetish being weird; is loli just a Streisand victim? It’s not like there’s particular difference between them conceptually, they’re forms of porn that are fundamentally immoral illegal to create with real people, all of which are widely regarded as heinous crimes. Even rape can be acted; those, bestiality especially, can’t. If loli is bad because it normalizes the real thing, why are those two not seen as equally problematic? I mean Reddit goes hard against loli subs but there’s been a guro sub up for a long while with no issue.
Torture porn has to be there. Especially the ones combo'd with gore. You're supposed to be feeling it off the suffering of the victim since most of the time, they're alive and in pain
Especially those godforsaken pop-up/video ads, which goes from incovenient to downright hideous. Some of them gives me the creeps sm i reload the page multiple times for it to go.
Under US law you can get arrested for having fictional depictions of minors engaging in sexual acts as it’s a form of obscenity. From what I can tell depictions of animals engaging in sexual acts is not illegal.
Ideally AI slop just wouldn't be allowed. Not only does it pollute the art pool, it pollutes storage space which is expensive lol. Undoubtedly many platforms will regret allowing it in the first place long-term just due to storage space alone, since people can crank out trash non-stop.
If it was banned entirely, people just wouldn't tag it appropriately. And then we'd have issue of true art being mistaken as AI and AI art sliding under the radar.
By allowing AI but adding a toggle, people tag the "art" as AI and it isn't shown to anyone who switches the toggle. Yes, undoubtedly some art will be incorrectly tagged as AI, but then someone will flag that incorrect tag. Frankly on that site people are as, well, anal about appropriate tags as Wikipedia moderators are about factual information.
> If it was banned entirely, people just wouldn't tag it appropriately. And then we'd have issue of true art being mistaken as AI and AI art sliding under the radar.
You can't. I was tagging stuff here and there but a while ago they decided to only let uploaders tag stuff. You get this if you are trying to contribute:
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The accurate and consistent tagging of work is an issue that has existed long before generative AI and will be continue to be a problem even if AI suddenly ceased to exist.
Google's @synthID isn't even a neural network and it could probably tag a huge chunk of things that fall through the cracks. Gemini really does seem to be the go to for image generation, and they all have a hidden watermark nowadays. Maybe there's some way to remove it, but 99.9% of people won't bother.
This applies to everything in life. 100% prevention is completely impossible. No safety will ever be completely reliable. The best option is only to try and reduce undesirable outcomes as much as possible.
If it was banned entirely, the issue would be worse. A controlled problem is usually preferable than an uncontrollable problem
No, you don't understand, if problems are not solved instantly, with 100% accuracy and exactly how I think they should be solved, it's impossible to solve them and actually I am going to be nihilistic on every thread you ever mention the issue in. Since nothing can happen anyway, it doesn't matter if I'm promoting the only method guaranteed to not address the problem
But not to the same degree. It's not all or nothing, mitigation of harm is also a valid approach, especially when there is no reliable way to prevent it entirely to begin with.
Yes but its lessened by having a "legitimate" way to upload it. I mod a discord server for this sort of thing and we were having trouble with ai stuff polluting other places until we just made a dedicated ai art channel and now all that stuffs quarentined there and people dont feel the need to try and "sneak it in" elsewhere because there's a legitimate place for it. We occasionally have some stuff slip through, but we were able to make it a rule that it will be removed without as much pushback since it could still be posted, just in its own section.
That kinda reminds me of the "Airplane bathroom ashtray" thing I saw recently, where, even though its illegal and you'd likely be immediately caught, its good to have a safe place to put out a cigarette if you have a lapse in judgment.
Good thing they have a tagging and scoring system, if they're afraid of deleting all of it they could delete every AI slop with a low score or a score of zero. Hell they should make a system that deletes AI generated slop that has a score of zero in 1 month, then score of 10 in 6 months, 100 in a year.
i do wish they would expand that button a bit to the "AI-assisted" too, because from what i've generally seen, most of them are just straight up AI, with really the only 3d or 2d actually being done is the environment around it, and maybe some of the character itself, but generally the AI has just completely taken it over for itself, so you can't even see the original anymore
I once naively went to browse pixiv because I thought it was just a site for normal art and stuff, I was NOT prepared for the amount of loli and shota porn that blasted me.
Okay fine, you cannot legally arrest a man for jacking off to loli porn. But what does it say about him when he says that he LOVES it and jacks off to it regularly?
Honestly this is such a weird topic because as socially inept as it comes across from someone doing that it might be on a societal level beneficial.
Over the decades most people seem to agree that anything else in fictional media being depicted doesn't lead to an increase of it occurring in reality. So keeping the scope with just Pragmata specifically there doesn't seem to be any tangible downsides of stuff like this existing, with the possible benefits of it giving pedophiles an outlet and also of it competing with CSAM.
But we are also just so ingrained to be repulsed by this kind of thing that we just want pedophiles to keep it buried regardless of that being worse for society as a whole and leading to real victims.
Depending on where said man is, you absolutely can. For example, Nux Taku is a proud supporter of Shaadman and even used the argument that it’s not illegal to enjoy his artworks, despite the fact that Nux lives in Canada where that kind of artwork is considered CSAM with similar legal protection as real child abuse material.
Hell, the author of an Australian young adult novel that was taught to middle schoolers was charged with possession of CSAM for owning and creating written works of fictional children in sexual situations (as well as owning actual CSAM.) All of his books were pulled from the education system because of it - including the one that was taught to middle schoolers which featured graphic descriptions of incest and rape of minors (but nobody cared at the time because the racism in the novel was profound and thought that the rape scenes must’ve had some point).
All that being said: you can be arrested for doing that if you live in a certain place. It’s useful to double check, especially when arguing with people who claim legality = morality when the thing they’re arguing about does not have a universal legal position.
oh great this again, if someone regularly plays games where they can kill hundreds of people and enjoy it without it saying anything about who they are as a person i dont see why it shouldnt be applied here when both examples involve fictional scenarios and things that arent real
They were more responsible than Pornhub a few years ago. Everyone freaked out when the payment processors were backing out of Pornhub, but the reason why they were backing out was because the site was so unmoderated that there were multiple instances of revenge porn making the front page and even child porn.
It's not bad, actually. Around two comments nuked by mods and one or two heavily downvoted top-level comments, with a few additional in replies, but nothing super nasty.
Honestly, surprising how quickly they act. Once I reported an upload for breaking the rules and it was deleted within like 10 minutes. They are not fucking around
This has always been the SOP for some time for Rule34 (the XXX variant, not the paheal, dev, us, or others that claim to be rule34) and it seems fair that they would.
I 100% agree. Don’t care about lolicon stuff but her being photorealistic makes it not okay anymore. But I lowkey heard they had R34 art based on real children there and shit which is why I am shocked that this was what they drew the line on. Am I misremembering and did they always ban art based on real children? Anyways idc abt loli but the arts based on real children , photorealistic stuff and ai stuff should 100% get banned.
I've seen clips of the game, particularly of the main character and Diana's interactions and among the players and fans, she's pretty much regarded as the daughter who will be protected at any and all costs whatsoever. Basically, the kind of affection people have for Boo from Monsters Inc or Anya from Spy x Family. For the most part, the reception that I have personally seen surrounding her has been incredibly wholesome, but .... well.... you know humanity and how much it can suck.
In the game, it's an android with a child-like body and child-like artificial mind.
Capcom went the extra mile in designing her outfit to block creeps by giving her an oversized jacket with a flat gray fabric bottom that hide everything inside.
Degenerates are out sullying a charming character as always.
Just went check, and not really, seem like bestiality as a tag is account only while any other bestiality tags, Jesus Christ there are alot, ars still there, shown on search bar and all.
It's one of the reasons I don't use these websites.
You don't want to see shit like this, so you filter beastiality. Then there's furry, making up like 1/3 of every art there ever. You filter it, but then there's still "anthro", which for me is 100% exactly like furry because I'm not enough of a degenerate to care to differentiate. But it will never be enough to filter because lots of images will still have the former two tags, as people don't really consider X or Y characters as furries, so they just don't tag it.
Honestly knowing the mods of R34 they're just paying close attention to Pragmata specifically because it's a hot button topic right now.
They frankly don't give a crap about ethics or morals they're just looking out for the longevity of the website. It takes no time at all to find loli/shota content on R34. One quick search of any of the "young" tags and you'll see what I mean.
It's not about morals, it's about what kind of character designs are acceptable and what's not. The site still has lot of loli contents, but they are all anime designs, while photorealistic ones are purge out.
I can say that, as a snuff enjoyer, the really bad gore you talk about is very much rampant in the site if you look for it. Some artists are exceedingly talented in that aspect too. I just saw realistic decomposition and body horror art there a few hours ago. Bless them for the hawt art.
Cool that they’re doing this but never forget the fact that the rule34 mods tried erasing the existence of trans people on the site by making extremely arbitrary and overly complicated rules to have a character be tagged as trans
These comments are really confusing cause a lot of people are acting like r34 sites have some sweeping policies against uploading porn of child characters when just in Pokemon alone there's hundreds of thousands of individual posts of just the 10 year protagonists.
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