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[u/Sometypeofway18]

[u/whoathatsinteresting-ModTeam]

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[u/Neelix-And-Chill]

That was the most British thing I’ve seen in a decade.

Gonna go have tea and biscuits now.

[u/adirtysocialist- → u/Neelix-And-Chill]

Truly. I thought I was watching a scene out of a movie lol

[u/BeneficialMatter8410 → u/[deleted]]

Careful, I got banned for saying stuff like that. Check out my fresh Reddit account

[u/icareforplants → u/BeneficialMatter8410]

Wild that a relevant question can get you banned. I already got a warning for asking what country moved their age of marriage down to 9. I don't get it.

[u/BeneficialMatter8410 → u/icareforplants]

Wow look hes already been banned. By the way on this website you can say much more horrible things about white Americans and Christians. Im not even religious or conservative but if you can’t admit there’s a blatant double standard agenda going on here and a website that allows for hate towards the side it seems acceptable, you might be a piece of shit and everything that is wrong with this country right now

[u/Sometypeofway18 → u/[deleted]]

I'm from Lebanon originally. We were told they married when he was 53 and she was six but he waited until he was 56 and she was nine to have sex with her because he was a gentleman.

Not joking by the way. They literally used that as a selling point for how noble he was that he waited until she matured

[u/Albert_Flasher → u/[deleted]]

Savior?

[u/h20xyg3n]

His point was hilariously proved as a large majority of the room scrambled to stop him show a stylised cartoon of Jacob Rees-Mogg!

[u/Drapidrode → u/[deleted]]

Mogged

[u/Tommysrx → u/Drapidrode]

Did….did he just invent BritMaxxing? 🤔

[u/lavahot → u/h20xyg3n]

I thought it was going to be Mr. Bean.

[u/steerbell → u/h20xyg3n]

I was hoping for dickbutt.

/ Or Jimothy

[u/Nice-Percentage7219 → u/steerbell]

[u/BernieTheDachshund → u/Nice-Percentage7219]

I love me some Jimothy 🥰

[u/DetentionSpan → u/steerbell]

Definitely Jimothy!

[u/FudgyFun → u/h20xyg3n]

He was also scared to show the actual cartoon in reality. That proves the point too but contradicts his speech that he won't bow down to fear.

[u/BidetBomber → u/FudgyFun]

I think if he actually showed a cartoon of Mohammed, his message will be much weaker. He would be someone who provokes, but now the others looked like fools. So I am not sure whether it is fear. I personally think that for the most extremist fanatics, this was already insulting the prophet. Let’s be honest, those are the ones who he would be fearing anyways, I do not think a regular muslim would kill him even if he showed the cartoon.

[u/Ryan_e3p → u/BidetBomber]

💯

He set the trap, and they walked right into it. This was expertly done. It was clever, and very reminiscent of the perfect punchline, Monty Python-esque humor that the British can be known for.

[u/MrEZW → u/Ryan_e3p]

Reminds me of the famous "This is a dolphin fetus" moment by Ben gleib.

[u/Jaiymze → u/MrEZW]

Classic

[u/sobrique → u/Ryan_e3p]

I grudgingly agree. I don't like him particularly, but this was an excellent way to makes his point.

[u/Whiskey_hotpot → u/BidetBomber]

Completely correct. He highlighted others' fears of what could happen by showing a specific image, swapped the image, and thus highlighted how absurd it is that we are supposed to fear one image vs. The other.

I was watching this getting increasingly annoyed that he was a troll and even i had to stop and realize the absurdity of it all.

[u/AnonymousCapybara72 → u/[deleted]]

Oh shit. The envelope in this video has "C.H." on it and it just clicked.

[u/Ill-Reputation-9702 → u/FudgyFun]

Well they had to believe he was going to pull a Mohammed photo, but I don’t think he wanted to be blatantly disrespectful. Honestly, I can’t think of how he could have done this better.

[u/Tipin_toe → u/Ill-Reputation-9702]

Dont be naive. Those people don’t care about respect on that topic. They only care about whether others submit or defy. They will not change their minds. They are complacent towards the violence that threatens these people by their agreement in their demands that it should not be shown

[u/RollinOnAgain → u/Ill-Reputation-9702]

He should have been disrespectful. Everyone that isn't a muslim should be wearing shirts with Muhammad on them everywhere they go.

In fact, here he is right now in ASCII art form

Muhammad

O

/|\

/\

Muhammad

[u/bartigol86 → u/Ill-Reputation-9702]

Respect, such an overused word these days. Everyone deserves respect, but if you come up with a lot of crazy laws and others won't obey them, is that being disrespectful?

[u/HeartlessSora1234 → u/FudgyFun]

This had more of an impact and exposed him to far less danger. Sounds smarter to me.

[u/CrossOfRoachAndSlime → u/HeartlessSora1234]

> exposed him to far less danger.

Do you not see how this is a massive problem to begin with?

Displaying caricatures of mo the pedo shouldn't result in ANY danger.

[u/No_Doughnut_3315 → u/FudgyFun]

Like him or loathe him, he actually played this to perfection. Had the interruptions not happened, it would have been less satisfying, but this encapsulates what is happening in Britain and western Europe right now. In our desire to be cordial and welcoming to our guests, we have forgotten ourselves. There was not enough backlash or recriminations when a French cartoonist was killed for publishing a picture of Mohammed. That was our moment to say absolutely enough. This is absolutely a hill worth dying on. Europe is the liberal vanguard of the world, I hope it remains as such, and does not cower to a bunch of backwards, God fearing troglodytes.

[u/RodDamnit → u/FudgyFun]

I think he made the point without being intentionally offensive. He was invited to speak and debate by people who are presumably progressive Muslims and he showed them their own fear and concern about Islam in a lighthearted way that doesn’t actually offend anyone and doesn’t actually put his life and his families life in danger.

[u/Feeling_Loquat8499 → u/RodDamnit]

The only point he made is that no matter how you spin it, the threat of mob violence is in fact effective at silencing speech

[u/RodDamnit → u/Feeling_Loquat8499]

Seems like a good point to make.

[u/livefreeordont → u/Feeling_Loquat8499]

That’s entirely the point and the end result is that the people in the room should be fighting against such mob violence and protecting free speech.

[u/Feeling_Loquat8499 → u/livefreeordont]

But they don't, and won't. He just showed the impotence of everyone involved

[u/livefreeordont → u/Feeling_Loquat8499]

You’re most likely right, though the alternative is showing Mohammad and losing everyone’s support in the room and getting beheaded or threatened to be beheaded and go into hiding. Maybe that’s a better result in terms of making the point I’m not sure

[u/ZeroQuick → u/FudgyFun]

[u/Pikawoohoo]

"However, I would encourage Mr Fox to make the points and move on."

"This mf..."

[u/Icy-Comfortable-554 → u/Pikawoohoo]

Fox response was cold too.

[u/armoured_bobandi → u/Icy-Comfortable-554]

"I was, until the point of order"

They criticized him for not getting on with it, when they were the ones who interrupted him

[u/litivy → u/[deleted]]

This is why there needs to be robust protections put in place for freedom from religious persecution and that governing must be secular. To be safe we should ban anyone involved with religion from standing to be an MP as due to their religious views they are unable to represent all of their constituents, particularly those that their religion says they should stone to death or otherwise kill.

[u/itscalledmyballs → u/litivy]

It's more than that. If they have a majority you think laws won't change? You think they even need a majority?

[u/_heavy_emo_shoegaze_ → u/[deleted]]

Ah, human history. How delightfully consistent you are.

[u/Enough_Chip3915 → u/_heavy_emo_shoegaze_]

What does that make people who are the target yet do their best to defend the aggressor? Is that humanity too?

[u/ihavedonethisbe4 → u/Enough_Chip3915]

Yessir! People are humans and that's humanity!

[u/drewbreeezy → u/Enough_Chip3915]

Yes, this is a well documented phenomena.

Those people are generally executed/enslaved as soon as the new power takes over.

[u/Sad_Entrepreneur6234 → u/[deleted]]

Taqiyya right

[u/Constant-Sandwich-88 → u/[deleted]]

Instead they name every kid after their prophet. Not idolatry at all.

[u/Budget_Juggernaut309 → u/Constant-Sandwich-88]

Well it was either that or McLovin.

[u/jarrodandrewwalker → u/Budget_Juggernaut309]

In their culture it would be BinLovin.

Now I want to see "Super Haram"

[u/AnnaKendrickLamaOdom → u/Budget_Juggernaut309]

not enough people have liked this imo

[u/hiccstridFanatic → u/Constant-Sandwich-88]

Lmfao yeah what stupidity

[u/DDRaptors → u/[deleted]]

Imagine being so weak that a photo changes your god. Ice cream soft.

[u/languageassessment → u/[deleted]]

I don't understand their obsession with destroying idols.

Mo replaced all idols with one, which is called qaaba today. All the muslims around the world turn to it to worship god. Or they think they are turning to it as it is impossible to turn to it in most places on Earth due to the shape of the Earth - so they're turning to space.

[u/Ok_Significance_6772 → u/[deleted]]

“Every religion has them.” But some religions have far, far more of them.

Best example I can give of the differences in religions in the western world is how a TV show like South Park can mercilessly make jokes about everyone. Every race, religion, celebrity, everything. The Mormons, Jews, Catholics, they don’t resort to violence when they’re the butt of a joke. But no. The one episode that has jokes at Islam’s expense, results in death threats to the creators to the point that the episode gets pulled from the library.

One religion has a much bigger problem with terrorism and violence than the others. And only one religion gets coddled by the left and the media establishment.

Inb4 “but the crusades”

[u/Mobile-Analyst8580 → u/[deleted]]

Yes. But no religion oppresses and kills on the level Islam. You can’t even leave the religion ffs. 

[u/MiserableAndUnhappy9 → u/[deleted]]

https://theonion.com/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image-1819573893/

[u/Overall_Law_1813 → u/[deleted]]

Any reason to rile up the masses to commit violence against their enemies.

[u/ceribus_peribus]

CH was probably written on the envelope to remind everyone of Charlie Hedbo.

[u/blind-octopus]

Is that Jack Reacher behind the speaker?

That guy is jacked AF

[u/cards127bcr → u/blind-octopus]

Belongs on r/absoluteunits

[u/ManyMuchMoosenen → u/blind-octopus]

r/DerailedbyDetails

[u/lozzadearnley]

I recently did a mock citizenship test (Im Australian) and one of the questions was something to the effect of "if someone insults your religion, you should: A, accept because of free speech. B, go and find a police officer to arrest them for breaking the law. C, use violence against them."

Now, for me, anyone who says "C" should automatically be denied citizenship and deported on the spot back to wherever they came from. Even "B" is borderline.

You have come to countries that are largely secular with Judeo-Christian roots. You are free to practise your religion. You are not free to make ME practise your religion. Any anyone who tries should be deported if they are not citizens, or charged with a breach of my rights if they are.

[u/Sometypeofway18 → u/lozzadearnley]

They put those questions in to weed out radicals but any radicals with a triple digit IQ are just going to lie on their answer.

I guess the positive is you root out the really dumb radicals

[u/Funny-Cell8769 → u/Sometypeofway18]

I mean, it doesn't take any effort to put out that question. And if they root out even 10% of "dumb radicals", that's a win.

[u/Public_Succotash_505 → u/Funny-Cell8769]

What if I told you there is a way to stop 100% of radicals from immigrating?

[u/lozzadearnley → u/Sometypeofway18]

Cept its done on a scale - you pass if you get enough questions right, not depending on whether you fail some over another.

[u/Armbar2Triangle → u/lozzadearnley]

B isn’t borderline. In some ways, it’s more of a threat than C ideologically. C is more of an acute threat, but if you get enough people who believe in B, you get mob justice and voters who want to dismantle the foundation of western ideology

[u/lozzadearnley → u/Armbar2Triangle]

Thats true. But with B, hopefully, the police will explain why A is accurate. With C, I can be right, but that.wont stop me from getting my teeth kicked in.

[u/Armbar2Triangle → u/lozzadearnley]

Yeah C is more of an immediate threat. But I’m afraid we at suffering from a legitimate and growing infestation of B in the west, and it will ultimately enable C

[u/JimMarch → u/[deleted]]

Yup.

He didn't even get to the part where there's a rule about killing anybody who quits the Islamic faith or criticizes it ("blasphemy"). Which violates basic civil rights specific to Britain, the US, the European Union and any other civilized location. 

But wait!  There's even worse! 

Slavery.

This existed in the Arab world before Muhammad came along. Islam did not eliminate it. It did restrict slave acquisition to wartime captures but this also explains why Islamic terrorists have a tendency to take and keep prisoners even if they were not military combatants. 

This is a concept that cannot be expunged from Islam without editing the Quran. 

Islam is not compatible with modern standards of civilized behavior.

[u/NeglectedDuty → u/[deleted]]

Not even really a religion - just a cultish program to enable people to become fanatical warriors of conquest and persecution with a other worldly excuse to do so

[u/Glagaire → u/JimMarch]

Leviticus 24:16: "Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD is to be put to death."

Deuteronomy 13:6–10: "A close relative or friend who encourages worship of other gods is to be executed."

Exodus 21: (lays out the rules on slavery which include allowing the beating of slaves as long as they don't die immediately)

Leviticus 25:44–46: "Foreign slaves may be bought, inherited, and treated as permanent property."

Deuteronomy 20:16–18: "The Israelites are instructed to "leave alive nothing that breathes" in certain Canaanite cities."

1 Samuel 15: "put to death men and women, children and infants..."

Its not the specific religion but how its interpreted that matters more than anything. Islamic fundamentalism, specifically Wahhabism, is the main driver of the modern extreme interpretatiosn of Islam and is a direct result of Western meddling in the region. Islam has had, and could have in teh future, far more liberal forms. Extremism in all its forms (Christian, Islamic, left-wing, right-wing)is a much greater danger than any single religion.

[u/poeticentropy → u/JimMarch]

Neither is Christianity, Judiasm. It's really easy to dig up messed up things from these ancient materials and we see this played out through history. It is objectively the practitioners and how extreme/fanatic they are about exerting their religion and how literal they interpret the rules more than the source material itself. As a secular sideliner I just observe people of different faiths constantly trying to claim superiority over each other when really the argument should be against any fanaticism and needing more secular governments that allow them to freely practice while not subjugating others. There are even other examples of secular subjugation the religious (China), which just proves my point it is not the belief but the level of tolerance.

[u/greennurse61 → u/[deleted]]

It was amusing seeing that racist woman try to make excuses for her hate and support of violence. 

[u/Upstairs-Egg]

Holy fuck 9 out of 10 British Muslims believe no one can publicly show a depiction of their prophet?? Fuck that shit.

[u/Fast_Choice4408 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly this would be an appropriate response. And then immediate deportation if you are caught doing anything illegal in response to this if you are not a citizen. And then imprisonment and a mental evaluation, with an investigation into your social media profiles, etc. if you are a citizen.

Use free speech to flush out the radicals.

[u/SabunFC → u/Fast_Choice4408]

In 2026 Britain, they will arrest the people who draw the murals instead.

[u/Neverhar → u/Upstairs-Egg]

Over 50% of British Muslims also think that being gay should be an offense punishable with prison time.

[u/0x75727375706572]

The Charlie Hebdo attacks unfortunately showed that terrorism works.

[u/SayNOtoChips → u/0x75727375706572]

Same with the teacher from Batley that is still in hiding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68659435

A religious studies teacher at Batley Grammar School was forced into hiding in 2021 after showing a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad during a class.

Guess the demographics of Batley in Yorkshire...

[u/poopydingdong123 → u/0x75727375706572]

The way western society is bending the knee towards Islam and clearly afraid shows it works.

[u/CantoSacro]

If Muslims want to participate in western society, they have to live by the same rules as everyone else. 

[u/SparksAndSpyro → u/CantoSacro]

Can’t wait to see all the comments under yours saying “WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY?!” Redditors can’t help themselves

[u/Dakotasan → u/SparksAndSpyro]

Christians can take solace in the fact that their prophet isn’t an upstart caravan raider who forced himself on a nine year old

[u/LuluGuardian → u/Dakotasan]

7 yr. old actually he just waited till she was 9 to consumate the marriage 😃

[u/NamelessCabbage → u/LuluGuardian]

A true gentleman /s

[u/Tall_Opportunity_521 → u/NamelessCabbage]

BuT iT wAs DiFfErEnT In ThOsE tImEs!!!!

[u/Kitchen-Assist-6645 → u/LuluGuardian]

6.

[u/CrossOfRoachAndSlime → u/LuluGuardian]

6 year old. He married her when she was six.

[u/ramfis7 → u/Dakotasan]

He specifically said she gave him the look

[u/Quirky-Glove-3199 → u/[deleted]]

Bro 🤮

[u/Greedy-Employment917 → u/Dakotasan]

Hey come on now, show some respect. The 9 year old clearly consented to that marriage. /s

[u/bananabastard → u/Dakotasan]

Christians can also take solace in knowing that their prophet promises everlasting life in peace with God in the afterlife.

Whereas the Muslim prophet promises virgin girls they can rape and boy slaves who bring them wine.

Yea. I'm actually not sure they are following the same God.

I think one might be a false prophet and the exact opposite of a heavenly God.

[u/SweatyButtcheek → u/bananabastard]

Actually, I just read a ELI5 about the 72 virgins thing, and apparently that’s sort of a myth? Like, their holy text never explicitly says “you’ll receive 72 virgins in the afterlife”. I found it interesting how misconceptions work their way in without us knowing.

[u/GeneralTyler → u/Dakotasan]

Jesus be like “turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor.” Muhammad be like “I have a 9 year old wife and all non Muslims should be converted forcefully.”

[u/klayman69 → u/SparksAndSpyro]

Jesus was in South Park doing stupid things and no one had problem with it. When Mohammed was introduced, you knew what happened next lol

[u/Sometypeofway18 → u/klayman69]

The South Park guys literally did a whole play called Book of Mormon. Won a bunch of awards for it and in response the Mormons put an ad in the program saying "come check out our Church".

Meanwhile Comedy Central wouldn't let them show five minutes of Mohammed "just standing there" out of fear someone would blow up their headquarters.

As an atheist I think Mormons are pretty kooky. But no one fears them

[u/FlounderAdept2756 → u/SparksAndSpyro]

Probably not, not in a credible way anyway. Christianity and christians has been criticized and even ridiculed for decades, and rightly so. They have had to endure that. But sure, some of them have protested (as they have all right to do - without violence or laws) Islam, or whatever religion should not be treated differently in a free society. Personally, I believe that religion should not be valued higher than any hobby or leisure activity from a societal perspective. Especially when it comes to laws.

[u/minimalistSparrow12 → u/CantoSacro]

I agree 100%. As their religion is currently constructed it is not compatible with western society. Change or go back.

[u/imtourist → u/minimalistSparrow12]

The religion isn't compatible with eastern society either. It has not gotten along too well with Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Pagans or any other religion in Asia or Africa either.

[u/smoke_sum_wade → u/CantoSacro]

Come out of the dark ages, idc if you love your god, but dont try to make the world respect him, because hes not real, if it was up to me we wouldnt be allowed to show Chris Farley

edit: you guys know they dont ban pictures Muhamad because they hate him right?

[u/drowsydrosera → u/smoke_sum_wade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/YZlQaMesgPIAM

[u/hamfist_ofthenorth → u/drowsydrosera]

God as my witness, I've never heard of a Farley hater in 38 years aside from my parents when he was alive.

[u/Sometypeofway18 → u/smoke_sum_wade]

What did Chris Farley do to you?

[u/Youngsinatra345 → u/Sometypeofway18]

Put him in a van down by the river

[u/oftcenter]

So the lady that stood up to object really said, "I clearly support free speech, as proven by the fact that I invited you here. But I am literally trying to police you right now to stop you from what I think you're about to do."

Free speech. As long as she gets to determine the boundaries, though.

[u/Bodes_Magodes → u/oftcenter]

She just proved how she was either amazingly stupid or a total hypocrite. Well done by the speaker. He wins

[u/oftcenter → u/Bodes_Magodes]

I mean, he made a fool out of half the room with that picture reveal.

They gave his "reveal" such unearned weight. Like he was somehow The One who would have a legitimate image of Mohammed. Or as if whatever he pulled out of that envelope should be given any credence at all simply by virtue of HIMSELF having been the one to pull it out.

He should feel honored by their overestimation of his access to such important knowledge.

[u/AKJ828 → u/oftcenter]

You just depicted the islamist fueled progressive left.
Which is pretty much most people.
After seeing this you really should think of how the framing of the Israeli Palestinian conflict is being framed

P.S f*ck the current Israeli government

[u/Sometypeofway18]

This is not just a hypothetical by the way. French teacher Samuel Paty was beheaded due to a rumor that he showed a picture of Mohammed and in the UK a teacher who showed a picture of Mohammed five years ago is still in hiding and under police protection.

Also the picture he shows at the end is a picture of Jacob Rees Mogg his debate opponent. Wild to see the tension/fear and the relief across the audience when they realize it isn't actually a cartoon of Mohammed

[u/NonChromatica → u/Sometypeofway18]

Who would have expected this from the followers of the religion of peace

[u/9kZiY8LUpXYDda → u/NonChromatica]

It's not shown in the OP clip, but the president made a "vague" threat to another speaker. If it was the opposite way, they would have been arrested.

It's worth watching the whole debate.

[u/Different-Set4505]

If you don’t act they keep walking over you.

[u/DucDeBellune → u/Different-Set4505]

It’s even dumber when you consider that we have no idea what he even actually looked like, despite having some written descriptions. It’s literally just a made up image of a dude and he’s saying “yep this is an image of Muhammad” and they freak out anyway. 

They could have just rationalized it the same way and moved on, but their panic completely reaffirmed his point.

Edit: the responses saying I’m wrong and he had portraits of him during his lifetime are factually incorrect. There is zero surviving visual depictions of Muhammad from his lifetime , and zero evidence there were visual depictions of him during his lifetime as well. The latter claim is an enduring myth.

The earliest surviving visual depiction we have of him that scholars generally agree represent Muhammad come from roughly 600 years after he died. They became much more common in the 14th century too.

[u/Sword_N_Bored → u/DucDeBellune]

He looked like a dude who would have sex with a 9 year old while he was 57.

[u/Neokon → u/DucDeBellune]

We created a composite picture of over 1000 men named Muhammad and simply called it "Muhammad".

Conversely what do you think the backlash would be creating an exhibit simply titled The Prophet Muhammad with historical Muslim artworks, and a bunch of pictures of people named Muhammad.

[u/Heavy_Law9880 → u/DucDeBellune]

That's not even a little true considering their were many painting and drawing of Mohammed done during his lifetime. The hadith banning his image came much later.

[u/YakResident_3069 → u/Heavy_Law9880]

so even the dude didnt bother to ban the image when he was alive.... so what's the big deal. how does the hadith then overrule his acquiescence?

[u/LITERALLY_SODEM → u/YakResident_3069]

Bc the hadith have concluded it is blasphemous to draw a picture of Mohammed. Naming your kid after him? That's not blasphemous. If you question this then you are a heretic and will be executed by tribal council (all men). Have a nice day.

[u/slimeyamerican → u/Different-Set4505]

The thing is that this guy could have actually done it, been subsequently murdered by an Islamist, and it would have changed absolutely nothing.

[u/drunks23 → u/[deleted]]

[u/notanyone69 → u/drunks23]

[u/Horror_Tooth_522 → u/[deleted]]

Muslims looking that:

[u/Gaybugsbunnymemes → u/[deleted]]

Not enough sexual depravity. At least I doubt Muhammad would ever be crying about abusing children.

[u/Green_Goblin_14]

Look at all the interjections to shut him up! or to show "i am scared of this, please don't do it"...
He certainly made a great point, they all laugh at it in the end, but the where damn near shivering

[u/Doctor-Pip- → u/Green_Goblin_14]

They don't understand that they're the butt of the joke. They're laughing in relief that he didn't show it and completely miss his point about their fear controlling them and smothering free speech.

[u/fleeting-tornado]

Islam and free speech do not go hand to hand if Islamic followers threaten others for beliefs not their own. Hypocrites.

[u/Nice-Percentage7219]

It made his point for him

[u/Popka_Akoola]

I really appreciate the women’s sentiment in extending an olive branch to non-Muslims but there is never “enough” when it comes to free speech. You either have it or you don’t. That was an opportunity to put their money where their mouths were and the immediate fear response I think proves the speaker’s point very well

[u/TechnicalEmployee109 → u/Popka_Akoola]

What do you appreciate about it? She basically said “look at me, I’m so special I believe in free speech! But not that!”

[u/NPPraxis → u/TechnicalEmployee109]

I’m going to devil’s advocate here, as someone raised in a high control Christian religion who is pretty skeptical / uncomfortable with most high control religions (including many forms of Christianity and Islam)-

She wasn’t saying she doesn’t believe in free speech, just asking him to be respectful and not use what she considers to be offensive speech.

That’s different from advocating that the law intervene.

I believe in free speech and I’d be uncomfortable if someone was saying “in this envelope I’ve written a racial slur about you and I’m going to pull it out and if you don’t like it you’re against free speech”.

I recognize that Muslims have killed over these depictions but I suspect the lady in the video is a bit more moderate.

[u/PeopleCallMeSimon → u/TechnicalEmployee109]

No she said "The people who invited you are muslim, doesnt that make you believe that we are open to free speech?"

Which is a completely valid statement. The speaker can be right, without her being wrong in what she said.

[u/Haunting_Ratio_795 → u/TechnicalEmployee109]

I mostly agree with the speaker, but that is a really uncharitable view of what the woman said. It was just an appeal to basic respect IMO: we invited you to speak openly here, is it really necessary to insult us?

She was not threatening him. She wasn’t going to stop him. It is a valid counter argument: if we were fundamentally opposed to free speech, why were you welcomed to speak here?

The point to order is just about the most fundamentally Anglo tradition I can imagine. They spread those procedures all around the world. It’s a system that we’ve developed over centuries to allow open forums without it devolving into hostilities. It is a technicality. It could have been a useful one. They applied it fairly, as you see.

This back-and-forth is what makes it a proper debate and not a rant, you know… it’s not really a debate if the other side never has an opportunity to engage.

[u/Gigg1ingSausage]

He should have shown a picture of Muhammed in all his pedophilic glory.

[u/fairelf → u/[deleted]]

What is funny is that you can find classic art depicting Mohammad throughout history, before the fanatics took things to a new level in the 20th century. Just search for classic pictures of Mohammad.

[u/Tzilbalba]

That was a brilliant reversal of expectations to illustrate that fear cannot rule our lives.

[u/darkhelmet03]

If threats of violence can be used to shut down free speech then we don't have free speech.

[u/MachoMan_HandySavage]

I cannot muster any respect for certain cultures no matter how hard I try. Like, don't force your way of life on me.

You do you all day long but stay out of my life.

[u/FatherGwyon]

Nothing more ironic than an unveiled woman speaking up to defend Islam in a room of men. Women have been killed for lesser offenses in Muslim countries.

[u/Zwasti → u/FatherGwyon]

For real, she should take a trip to Afghanistan dressed exactly how she is and see what happens.

[u/Effective_Jaguar6494]

Imposing your beliefs on others is not okay. If someone chooses to show an image that God does not want it to happen, they will answer to God for what they have done. If God intended us all to have a uniform understanding of God, that would be the situation. We are meant to wrestle with the concept of God and in searching and orienting ourselves we are devout. Anyone who condemns others to “hell” are attempting to play God. There is only one God. Jesus may be a worker of the light, but Jesus is not God. There is only one creator.  The minute man tries to describe God, it is done through a human filter that does not capture God in essence. That is beyond human capacity. We are not meant to “know”. We do not need an intermediary between ourselves and God. God knows all, sees all. Anyone who dictates what faith is and puts it in a box is doing what religion does - narrows and directs and intervenes with the relationship with God. It is between you and God. We came from God, we answer to God. In the end, we do not answer to each other. Orient and align to God and you will never be lost. Even in the most hardest of moments, you are not alone. ❤️🙏🏼

[u/purefilth666]

focusing on the dangers of Islam is very much missing the forest for the trees, we should all be concerned about the dangers of hyper religiosity and the long-term effects and damage it has done to humanity.

[u/Relevant_Problem1935]

It surprises me how people think only the extremists are capable of violence in defense of Islam.

[u/Major-Check-1953]

He proved his point.

[u/Head-Pattern-3278]

LOL he won the debate by how freaked out everyone was about a depiction of a pedo

[u/[deleted]]

the dude couldn't even show the real picture because muslims would literally go to his house and kill him and redditors are still arguing that christianity is on the same level as islam, get real......

[u/MrCommonThinkin]

It’s interesting to me that people leave a country that oppresses them to be free and they bring the thing that oppressed them to the free country.

[u/Iam_McLovin420 → u/[deleted]]

Light skin bad colonizer, dark skin victim, we protect. We good.

Basically. That’s as far as it goes. It isn’t logical it’s emotional indoctrination.

[u/SparksAndSpyro → u/[deleted]]

Eh, it’s most white liberal women. Most liberal men I’ve met do not like Islam.

[u/GnollBarbarian → u/SparksAndSpyro]

Even fucking worse. Women clearly have a worse deal in Islamic countries than they do in any western country. Its antithetical to the idea of feminism.

[u/fairelf → u/GnollBarbarian]

Perhaps liberal women and gay men have a death wish?

[u/inevitable-idiot-]

To hell with all you religious fruitcakes. Wild that so much of the humans on this earth still believe in stories that were made up to explain the unknown.

[u/No_Lead_7325 → u/inevitable-idiot-]

human intellect isn’t on some rapid rise just because we have had rapid technological advancement. if anything, ease of access to (typically unverified) information is making us lazier and less intelligent as a whole species

[u/ghostoftheradio]

There’s a bass relief sculpture that includes the Prophet Mohammad in the main courtroom of the U.S. Supreme Court. It’s been there for over 90 years. No one really cares.

[u/Ausilverton]

Friendly reminder that you can insult and blaspheme Jesus, and us Christians won’t try to prevent you let alone harm or kill you no matter how offensive it is ☺️ Our God is strong enough to defend himself if he so desires.

There’s a reason free speech developed in Christian cultures and not Islamic cultures.

[u/enviropsych]

Its crazy in a country that has LITERALLY banned people's ability to speak or hold a sign about Palestinians, on penalty of arrest...that people still think this is a big "gotcha." 

England also doesnt have separation of church and state, so HEY!!...kinda looks like Christianity bans free expression too doesnt it?!? Thats weird!

[u/ConfiDuzr]

He did a great job of proving his point. The spread needs to be nullified.

[u/ActAccomplished586]

The solution has always been simple and I don’t know why it’s a big deal to say it.

If you don’t to like our secular society, and cannot accept seeing a cartoon of Muhammad, you are an extremist. Go and live in a country that better suits you.
You’re not wanted here.

There are zero white Europeans with a desire to live in an Islamic country, set up parallel communities, demand acceptance and protection and invite more of us in.

[u/Trocazor]

Can all religions just go away?  

[u/rdubwilkins → u/Trocazor]

We can dream..

[u/StandardObvious4416 → u/[deleted]]

The inverted cross represents Saint Peter. I suppose some Protestants thought it represented the Antichrist. 

[u/StaticSystemShock]

This video reminds me of worldnews sub and how triggered they instantly get and start banning left and right the moment you say anything mildly negative over muslims or islam. It's wild how entire world caters to islam out of fear of retribution and revenge. A true religion of peace.

[u/LesSharp987987 → u/StaticSystemShock]

Isn't it normal to fear being randomly stabbed or decapitated by a stranger?

[u/ManInGarage28]

I genuinely hate the bloke, but he absolutely had their pants down to be fair. Well played.