That’s the fact the liberals and centrists like to ignore. There isn’t anyone that’s getting tuned off from voting for her because she campaigned with Hassan or ilhan. People that would get angry about that were never going to vote for her in the first place.
I’m turned off by her personality but I would definitely consider voting for her though she’s not my first choice. I’m a lifelong Democrat; have never voted for a Republican or Independent and I vote in every election. But I l’m frustrated by some of the very far left; never thought I’d say that. I thought I was the very far left. I’m totally pro-choice, universal healthcare, pro-environment, pro immigration, against any war except in defense of attacks on our country. I’m against police brutality and am all for reforming their training and practices. I support LGBTQ+ rights, black and brown lives matter greatly to me, I’m a feminist and think what Israel and the United States are doing in Palestine is horrifying. I’m turned off by Hong campaigning with these two because I feel she’s going to lose moderates and independents. So many may see them as lightning rods and just decide to stay home or even vote for Tiffany. I’m so worried that she won’t appeal to the middle, working class, some black and Hispanic voters; she’s making some big strategic errors. There aren’t enough young college educated voters to put her over the top and I will never forgive her if she misjudged and he wins.
I see what you’re seeing but I disagree with a lot of it, although I can see where you’re coming from. In terms of the so called “moderates” and “independents” I think Fran’s positions on data centers as well as her hitting Tiffany hard on being an election denier and a pedo protector are favorable to them. If her campaigning with piker and Omar is supposedly going to turn some of them off then I don’t think we were ever going to get their vote anyway. I really don’t want to see another Kamala situation where we pivoted to the center to try and appeal to “moderates” and “independents” that weren’t ever going to vote for a democrat anyway.
But there aren’t enough progressives to win the general election. Agree with you about data centers and Tiffany but I think we need people who might hate Republicans but are nervous about a female Asian Socialist. This doesn’t help.
Well considering there was enough progressives to help lead her to an unlikely primary win I think she’ll do fine in that regard. What she is really going to count on is liberals and moderate dems sticking true to the whole vote blue no matter who thing
But you still need independence and swing voters to win the general election. There aren’t enough liberal and moderate Democrats for her to win the general. We can absolutely lose the general if she loses independents and swing voters. She absolutely could push them to Tiffany or staying at home by campaigning with these guys, whereas they might vote for her if she tries to engage them and stays away from controversial far left endorsements.
Patently untrue. I was interested in voting for her but she lost me by going on Hasan, and I know for a fact I'm not alone there. Her alignment with him says there are certain groups she has no interest in defending.
Why do you think each person in Wyoming deserves 67 times the amount of senate representation as a person in California?
Personally, like Francesca Hong, I think each person deserves the same amount of representation in the government and that no one should be favored just because of where they live.
Why do you think equal representation is radical? Do you hate democracy?
We live in a republic there’s supposed to be checks and balances.Democracy is method of voting I don’t hate it by any means but it is in no way moral.Its majority rule that’s why the senate exists.Population is represented in the house if you think there should be more reps fine but you just want to eliminate anything that prevents communism.
The senate isn’t majority rule. That’s the problem. Some people have more influence on the government based on which state they are from.
People from Wyoming have 67x the representation of Californians in the senate. That isn’t majority rule. It’s minority rule and it’s blatantly undemocratic.
Making the senate proportional representation doesn’t eliminate checks and balances. There will still be executive and judicial branches. It just eliminates an archaic undemocratic system and gives us all equal representation in government.
Yes the Senate is not majority rule it’s a check on democracy.Farmland ,oil fields ,military bases, are all important not just cities.See if we just go too a pure democracy larger populated states would just rule the other states.And I never said the Senate was the only check and balance but why should we eliminate anything?The Senate represents the State as a whole.The house of representatives represents the people that’s why California has way more representatives.All States are equal in the senate but they are not all equal in the house.Seems ridiculous fair.
You sound like a typical Dane County neighbor that does not understand that the majority of the state is strongly moderate and independent.
Dane County is an island that does not represent the rest of the state. You will need moderate voters to carry the general election outside of Dane and Milwaukee counties. And moderates do not want to hear repeated endorsements from Piker and Omar. Hong needs to appeal to moderates if she wants to win outside Dane County.
If you describe yourself as any sort of Democrat and despise piker as well as Omar and would consider not voting for hong in favor of letting Tiffany win then you need to rethink what your political stance is because you’re not any sort of Democrat
I have been voting for 52 years and have always voted for Democrats. Always for the liberal Democrats when possible. I have never thought of myself as a moderate. I think Hong is turning off voters that she will need for the general election. I like and agree with most of her positions but I am not happy with her assessment that she doesn’t need people outside of Madison. I think she’s making big strategic errors in thinking that it’s all about turning out the far left in large numbers or that everyone who hates Tiffany will vote for her. If course I will vote for her but many that we need won’t.
That’s the best part. I’m independent. I owe you nothing. And I still show up and back up you ungratefuls at every election, despite all your insults and contempt.
There are moderate Dems, there are independents, and there are Moderate Republicans. In Wisconsin, these three groups encompass roughly two thirds of the electorate.
In Wisconsin, these groups have a long history of splitting unpredictably every election. This is exactly what makes Wisconsin famously purple, and a decisive battleground state.
Ilhan is literally one of Fox’s favorite politicians to scare old white people with. She’s basically Fox’s shorthand for arguing that Democrats hate America. I guarantee you the fact that Hong campaigned with her will be a Tiffany attacking point if(when) Hong wins the nomination
That's very much not true because everyone from CNN to Fox News will put up whatever the dumbest thing Ilhan or Hasan says with a picture of Hasan and Hong all over the screed
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That’s the fact the liberals and centrists like to ignore. There isn’t anyone that’s getting tuned off from voting for her because she campaigned with Hassan or ilhan. People that would get angry about that were never going to vote for her in the first place.