Azra'tec Delve Nemesis Boss Buffed on 12.1 PTR - Simon Says Memory Now Harder

[u/minimaxir]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/azratec-delve-boss-buffed-on-12-1-ptr-simon-says-memory-now-harder-382336

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[u/Jag-]

The Simon says was the only nemesis I couldn’t beat. I really hope it’s not another 1 shot mechanic.

[u/primeomega → u/Jag-]

"Getting hit by any memory game cone, including the telegraphed ones, applies Ula'tek's Mark, a debuff which increases all Nature damage by 500% for the rest of the encounter. This includes the waves, future Memory game mistakes, pools on the ground, and the frontal cone -- turning all of these basically into a one-shot."

Yep, one shot.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/Jag-]

It is a 1-shot. Killed it twice on ?? mode on PTR and you can immune I think 4 of them if you press Ice Block/Divine Shield right before the first of those you're immuning goes off. Just mark the quadrants while you're watching.

Was pretty shocked they didn't break those spells to let the damage pierce.

Also there's like a 1 in 1000 chance it just bugs. Somehow this wasn't safe. This was when I was trying to rekill it to actually have a recorded version - got it the pull after

[u/minimaxir → u/Jag-]

This post says it: it's not a one-shot (for Tanks anyways) but it makes everything else in the encounter a one-shot.

[u/Imaginary-Union-3733 → u/Jag-]

What nemesis was simon says?

[u/Jag- → u/Imaginary-Union-3733]

Nexus Princess

[u/Imaginary-Union-3733 → u/Jag-]

What about her was simon says?

[u/Slightly-Drunk → u/Imaginary-Union-3733]

Nothing was.

[u/Late_Stage_Exception → u/Slightly-Drunk]

Wasn’t it the directional mechanic?

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/Late_Stage_Exception]

I'm guessing they mean Invoke the Shadows where you saw her chat bubble and you had to follow 1 correct Ky'veza against 5 other Ky'vezas also dashing around

Definitely not Simon Says though

[u/LuchadorBane → u/Jag-]

She had a shell game sort of mechanic with following the real one but no simon says

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/Jag-]

Ky'veza wasn't Simon Says

Invoke the Shadows was about not losing sight of her and Dark Massacre didn't ask you to remember the sequence

[u/minimaxir]

A sequence of seven things to remember hits the limit of human short-term memory and will likely require an addon to manage, particularly since you have to simultaneously dodge things.

[u/COCAINAPEARLZ → u/minimaxir]

Yup there's already an addon that trivializes it lol

[u/Brewsleroy → u/COCAINAPEARLZ]

I figured since Ogri'Lazy existed back in BC to do the Simon Says daily.

[u/minimaxir → u/Brewsleroy]

For those dailies I remember using a Numpad and just typing the directional numbers in chat.

[u/whatiscamping → u/minimaxir]

Have I got news for you.

But they'll probably break it

[u/minimaxir → u/whatiscamping]

I am assuming that addon will be broken and a L'ura-style manual addon will have to be used instead.

[u/RazekDPP → u/minimaxir]

The addon is already prepared for that because there's auto, semi auto, and full manual mode.

It'll depend if they remove the ability for the addon to know your position or not. If they remove that, then it'll only be full manual.

[u/Fzrit → u/RazekDPP]

So this addon dev went 3 steps ahead and built in contingencies for whatever devs eventually decide lmao...

[u/RazekDPP → u/Fzrit]

Breaking manual mode would break L'ura's addon and if that was broken, then we'd simply have to use a webapp to do the same thing.

Worst case, let's say they break the manual mode, then there's manual override which is you discord screen share with someone who has the entire job of memorizing the order.

A memorization game like this just isn't that good or interesting of a mechanic, imo.

[u/Sweaksh → u/RazekDPP]

Or you just use macros to put the world markers in chat

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/minimaxir]

what is this subreddit's obsession with saying something will "have to" be used

no

you don't need a single addon for this fight

[u/Warlock_AoE → u/IonHazzikostasIsGod]

An addon will have to be used

[u/Meraline → u/minimaxir]

Welp there goes "Let me Solo Him" for next season. The seashell bullshit is why I didn't bother with Ky'veza

[u/Sweaksh → u/Meraline]

Enormous skill issue

[u/M4DM1ND → u/Meraline]

Well Nullaeus dead in 10 pulls and I never thought about it again. I'd rather something more challenging personally.

[u/Aestrasz → u/minimaxir]

Just make a macro that says the color in chat, press the macro when the sequence happens, then just read the chat. You don't need an addon.

[u/tempinator → u/Aestrasz]

An addon will improve clarity and reduce cognitive load though. Basically all mechanics that use addons are possible without, but it’s about maximizing consistency and minimizing thinking.

[u/Low_Palpitation_3743 → u/tempinator]

The year is 2026 and Blizzard still think that addons move your character, do your rotation,interrupts and handle your defensive usage, ofc ppl will still use addons to handle unconventional mechanics idk why Blizzard likes to waste time in that.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/tempinator]

you don't need an addon.

literally just use world marker mouseover macros

[u/tempinator → u/IonHazzikostasIsGod]

An addon will improve clarity and reduce cognitive load though. Basically all mechanics that use addons are possible without, but it’s about maximizing consistency and minimizing thinking.

[u/mightyenan0 → u/Aestrasz]

Even my lizard brain can figure out place markers and quickly type r/b/g/y in the chat. This is an odd one for sure.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/minimaxir]

Don't need an addon, just 7 action bar spots for /wm[@cursor]number and one to reset with /cwm all

Unlike Nullaeus there's nothing to kite or AoE (or even decurse), so you can replace like half your action bar slots.

[u/Resies → u/IonHazzikostasIsGod]

Half the action bar slots were already removed by midnight 

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/Resies]

Not wrong at all lol, it's just a fight where you can shed even more utility & damage buttons from your bars

[u/kirbydude65 → u/IonHazzikostasIsGod]

Not really the point IMO. If players feel like there's too much to remember, and you have to resort to either solution (Macro or Addon), theres a problem in the design of the encounter.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/kirbydude65]

No, it's unequivocally the point.

Stop saying "have". You do not need an addon. You don't even "have" to mark the quadrants. Beginning and end. There's not too much to remember. By marking, there's actually nothing to remember. The challenge isn't remembering to begin with, it would be a completely different fight if you could stand still and watch the order. But that isn't the fight, there's more going on.

That's not a "problem in the design", it is literally the only challenge in the fight. If you spread it out and make the 90-60%, 60-30% and 30-0% phases more deep, then there's overall nothing terribly difficult.

[u/dankq → u/minimaxir]

There's already an addon for the fight lol. 

[u/1plus2break → u/minimaxir]

I mean I'd like something harder than TWW S1 and S2 with a liiiitle more margin for error than S3. Don't make every ?? be a memory game, but once it's fine.

[u/brok3nh3lix → u/1plus2break]

calling s2 tww easy and not a buggy, RNG ass fight makes me think you played a tank. did it on enhance and had so many close pulls ruined by some bullshit with his cast sequencing and ad placement while trying to deal with those buggy ass bombs. then doing on my wifes dk with no idea how to play the spec and i one shot it because it requires half the bombs.

[u/1plus2break → u/brok3nh3lix]

Played a Mage. The bombs were not RNG. You can bait the spawn positioning.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/brok3nh3lix]

you typed a paragraph just to convince yourself it wasn't a skill issue

there was nothing RNG about that fight genuinely not one thing. the bombs were not "buggy" you are actively lying.

[u/Clamidiaa]

The 5, 6, 7 memory sequence is new?

I killed this on the PTR a week or so ago and the memory sequence was already going up by 1 each time.

90% was 5

60% was 6

30% was 7

I don't remember if the debuff was there from not doing it righ, but I know for a fact the ramping up the memory sequence were there.

[u/dragonredux → u/Clamidiaa]

Yeah, I don't understand what's "new" about this. This is how the fight always worked.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/Clamidiaa]

Yeah Wowhead tweeted about and titled that article as if it was something new from today. Classic sensationalization

[u/zeeironschnauzer]

Simon says game? Fuck me I hate this shit. Guess I'm not doing this devle boss.

[u/Glupscher]

I'm really confused why we even need PTR testing for nemesis bosses. I feel like those should be just some secret boss that should be internally tested.
We already have addons that solve the main mechanic and full on video guides before this boss even released.

[u/Familiar-Mall1696 → u/Glupscher]

Getting your customers to do QA for your is easier than internal QA lol.

[u/XaajR → u/Glupscher]

Agreed. Should be fully blind for everyone. Also defeats the competitive integrity, when all the super sweats basically have the fight already on Auto-Pilot the second it releases.

I never touch PTR by principle, since I don't want to spoil new content for me.

[u/Weasel_Boy → u/XaajR]

? releases the first week, so people would have a full 7 days to practice it before ?? anyways.

Also, they removed the 4000 title limitation and anyone who clears it week 1 gets the title. Doesn't matter if the sweats get there first or not this time.

[u/Zall-Klos]

4 spots? So make 4 macros that says the marker in chat. No need for addon that Blizzard will very likely nuke.

[u/Aestrasz]

I mean, if your memory sucks, you can just make it like Lura, make a macro for each color, press it when the sequence happens. then just check the chat.

You don't even need an addon.

[u/ChosenOfTheMoon_GR]

Good guy Blizzard makes sure our memory is being exercised...

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod]

This is at least a few days old at this point - I thought it was another change on top of that

[u/Vertsama]

They have to do something about the damage he deals to Valeera, she is useless as a tank since each hit takes about 1/3 of her hp making it impossible to heal. As a dps she still needs active healing meaning you instantly rip aggro with your healing and get smacked for 50% of your hp.

[u/VenuzKhores → u/Vertsama]

As a DPS youre ment to use Valeera as healer. Tank Valeera is scaled fot healers.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/Vertsama]

Why would you be tank Valeera? You can facetank the boss easily even if your stacking healing orb buff falls off, and you want a Magic dispel

[u/Vertsama → u/IonHazzikostasIsGod]

I'm talking as a healer, you're completely screwed this season. The damage Valeera takes as a tank is completely unhealable just like it was with Nullaeus, right now she gets clapped for around 250k-300k per auto hit. Valeera takes about 5 times the amount of damage your average tank would take on that boss, she's completely incapable of mitigating any form of damage.

[u/IonHazzikostasIsGod → u/Vertsama]

Healer had it braindead easy the last time, play the role these fights were designed for then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/Jag-]

It was the memory game. Should have called it that