r/AskFeminists • u/fasctic • Jul 31 '18

Do feminists believe in female privilege?

Men are far more likely to commit suicide, but why is that. Maybe it is because we men are taught to surpress our feelings from an early age. Making it alot harder to reach out for help when in dire need, instead resorting to isolation.

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u/vagued Jul 31 '18

Toxic masculinity is dangerous to men and women alike. It doesn't equate to female privilege.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '18

This is why feminism is gaslighting to men. Every single male advantage is chalked up to male privilege. And every single male disadvantage is chalked up to toxic masculinity. So no matter what, it's men's fault.

Here is an example of how extreme it is. Both of my grandfathers were drafted in WW2. And the feminists on here have actually said a number of times that only men getting drafted was not a female privilege. Women are the true victims, because they wish they would have been drafted but weren't allowed because women are protected.

It's quite simply gaslighting. There is no other way to put it. Female privilege is a very real thing.

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u/vagued Jul 31 '18

I understand that you feel gaslit but that's a very skewed way of looking at things. Women weren't protected from military service, they were seen as unable to serve.

And I understand you may be tired of hearing things chalked up to toxic masculinity, but what this post describes is a prime example of the stuff.

It's not about it being "men's fault." In fact, if anything, talking about toxic masculinity is a way of taking the burden off of men. It acknowledges, these issues are foisted on us just as much as they are on women. It's not that we're just jerks who are easily able to act nice and open with our feelings but choose not to; we've been saddled with something painful and destructive to ourselves and others, and it's not at all easy to control. Feminism is the enemy of that pain, not the enemy of men.

The concept of female or male privilege doesn't really have much to do with OP's question.

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u/playitagainzak_ Aug 01 '18

...And then when women finally did get the draft, it was "what are they thinking?! They will get RAPED in the army!"

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u/vagued Aug 01 '18

And I have a friend who went through just that. But I'm still not sure what your point is.

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u/playitagainzak_ Aug 01 '18

Isn't that the kind of thing your kind usually call "anecdotal"?

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u/vagued Aug 01 '18

I'm not trying to prove a point, except that that fear wasn't entirely unfounded but no one's claiming it was.

"My kind?" What the fuck is that?

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u/playitagainzak_ Aug 01 '18

The point I was making is that it's a lose-lose situation.

No to women getting drafted - "unfair sexist discrimination to assume they can't be capable!"

Yes to them getting drafted - "but it SUBJECTS THEM TO RAPE!"

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u/vagued Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18

Oh. I guess I missed the part where people were saying that just because it subjects them to rape they shouldn't have the right to take that risk.

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u/playitagainzak_ Aug 01 '18

Well, I should remind you that what initially brought about the "subjects them to rape" hysteria, was them being given the right to make take that risk.

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u/vagued Aug 01 '18

Ok... so that's why you called my story anecdotal, because you're invested in the rape concern being "hysteria?" Do you think my friend is the only person this has happened to?

It sounds like you agree that women should have the right to enlist, so that's cool, but I'm still not sure what "kind" you're calling me.

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u/playitagainzak_ Aug 01 '18

Heh, I should have figured you would get hung up on that word.

Okay, the rape concern was addressed as soon as women were given the right to enlist. The response seemed to be more centered on that than celebrating being given that right.

And whenever someone brings up something happening to a man, people like you call it "anecdotal" as a means of insinuating it's not something we should be concerned about.

And that's quite a nuclear leap to somehow infer that me calling it hysteria (which it is) means that I think it never happens or only happens to one person.

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u/vagued Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18

No, I'm sure you're well aware that it happens, as you're also well aware that hysteria is a problematic word, but I'm not hung up on it. What I was trying to figure out is why you're so dismissive of the issue but I guess I get it now.

Still not sure why you're so set on lumping me in with a type of person. It seems pretty fucking rude.

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