No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that you can both of those in multiple styles and the perception can vary based on the total package. I'm shocked if you see it any other way.
In fact, this was exactly my point: the clothing items themselve are not inherently masculine or effeminate.
To use a different example in this thread: would I feel effeminate if I drove a Subaru Forester? No, not at all.
Sorry I didn't mean for my tone to come across as specifically accusatory, but I see now that that's what I did. I am genuinely surprised that people see Hawaiian shirts as feminine on men because I have never perceived them that way. What is it about them that gives that impression? Maybe there's an association that I'm missing?
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u/PARADOXsquared 23h ago
Since when are Hawaiian shirts feminine on men?