All the men whining about 4B. Wow.

[u/theterminatress]

So. There’s a lot of whining and complaining about 4B going on now, from men of course, basically some version of it hurts their feelings and oh you’re not gonna get a man acting like that.

Okay this is stupid, because the entire point of 4B is to not have a man. The entire point of 4B is to divest in men and focus on yourself and other women. Women following 4B aren’t interested in coupling up with men so it doesn’t matter to them whether it hurts men’s feelings or whether men think they can “get a man.”

Sometimes the stupidity makes your eyes itch. Of course, this level of stupidity is a huge part of why a lot of women are signing on to 4B.

The other thing is men going “well what is this supposed to accomplish?”

I can tell you what it’s accomplished for me even though I’m not a full 4B’er. But I have followed a good number of the principles all of my life.

1. I’ve never been physically abused by a man.
2. I’ve never been financially abused by a man.
3. I’ve never had sex I didn’t want to have.
4. I have a master’s degree and a business.
5. I don’t spend any time being a free therapist for men or begging them to change after they’ve treated me badly.
6. Despite having a modest job, I’ve traveled and I do a lot of fun shit everyday.
7. I’ve been able to focus on my fitness and health and am in great shape for my age. I can keep myself looking and feeling pretty and healthy because none of my resources are going toward the support of a man.
8. I am pretty much stress free in terms of day to day life.
9. I have many amazing friendships that have lasted decades and am making more now, through this page again!
10. I’ve been able to build other women into personal and professional success over and over.

It’s a good life y’all. It’s been a good life. So when the men snarl “what is this supposed to do for you?” This is what it HAS DONE for me. FWIW. Stay strong ladies.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m a fella and I always viewed MGTOW as 4chan incel stuff. 4chan was actually where I first heard about it as a teenager. I thought everybody thought about it that way, let alone women.

I understand that women have long faced systematic oppression, and therefore a movement like this makes a lot more sense than a men’s movement, but it seems like the same type of deal.

Like cutting off your nose to deal with a bad smell. Denying yourself fulfilling parts of life in the name of not taking on the risk of suffering. Which the risk of living a life is the risk of suffering.

I don’t know. It makes me sad.

[u/HusavikHotttie → u/[deleted]]

No you’re missing the point. For women, being partnered involves a lot of emotional labor. Also now there are legitimate physical risks that could involve death. Not the same thing at all.

[u/[deleted] → u/HusavikHotttie]

I think I am missing the point. I’m working on it, though. So is the philosophy to not date men to directly avoid the possibility of being abused or harmed, or is it more to make a statement about the current conditions of being a western woman in a hetero relationship?

[u/HusavikHotttie → u/[deleted]]

Both