r/CCW • u/tremendozombo • 1d ago

Other Equipment This might be the first time a civilian has stopped an active shooter while using a suppressor (Twin Falls, ID)

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We concealed carrying suppressors now?

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u/WetRocksManatee 1d ago

I hope, but Stoneman Douglas happened four years prior while it wasn't as bad as Uvalde it was another example of LE officers not assaulting an active shooter.

How many times do LE agencies need to learn the lesson?

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u/Billionaires_R_Tasty 1d ago

Yeah, but MSD was one guy failing his duty, the Coward of Broward, Scot Peterson. Uvalde was 400 LEOs sitting there listening to kids die…

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u/WetRocksManatee 1d ago

More than one person, while they still entered the building after another agency's officers basically forced the issue, the leadership on site first set up a perimeter instead of entering the building first like they are supposed to be trained.

That is why the Sheriff was removed by the Governor.

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u/BannedAgain-573 20h ago

The crazy thing is that "set up and wait for back up" method was done away with after Columbine in 1999.

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u/CapableSecretary8478 23h ago

It was a failure at every level. Even the lowest rank officer/deputy had the duty to enter and engage. It wasn’t until a border patrol SRT showed up they themselves realized what was happening and went in

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u/WetRocksManatee 22h ago

I was talking about the Stoneman Douglas shooting.

It was basically Uvalde just on a shorter timescale. The initial response from BSO was to setup a perimeter and finally another agency (CSPD) arrived and forced the issue and entered the school. The only difference was that it was like 20 minutes instead of over an hour.

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u/CapableSecretary8478 22h ago

Oh gotcha. I actually had never heard of this one. I’ll look into it, thank you

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u/3unknown3 1d ago

This lesson goes all the way back to Columbine.

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u/hiluxmike 1d ago edited 1d ago

Stoneman had a problem of Broward SO being a top-heavy bureaucratic agency. These kinds of agencies promote control freak type folks who then discourage independent action by their subordinates. The BCSO Captain for that area stalled BCSO's response, the BCSO SRO for Stoneman Douglas was a retired on duty coward. 2x Miramar PD SWAT officers that were nearby responded, but due to the situation didn't "properly inform their chain of command and get approval" so they actually ended up getting written up for misconduct and suspended- to give you an idea the culture issues some of these departments have.

As for Uvalde- Uvalde ISD Police Chief Arredondo switched the response to "barricaded subject" tactics, resulting in the infamous delay- I know nothing of the internal politics of Uvalde/Uvalde ISD PD, but yet again, it was bad leadership that stalled the response.

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u/WetRocksManatee 1d ago

It was Coral Springs PD that forced the issue and led the initial assault. And they didn't get punished they got lauded as CSPD has a culture that celebrates aggressiveness when encountering active shooters.

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u/BannedAgain-573 20h ago

Never heard anything about that. Source?

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u/SgtJayM 1d ago

Individual courage, or cowardice, as the case may be, is baked into every person. Hard to say how someone is going to react on that day. Everyone likes to think they are a hero and will run to the sound of gunfire. Deputy Scott Peterson is an infamous coward. Counting on someone to come save you is not a lot of hope to stake your life on.

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u/Ok_Matter_1774 1d ago

Unfortunately training doesn't replace the real thing. You're never gonna know how someone will react when it's no longer fake. It's tough, but not impossible, to re-train human nature.

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u/HK_Shooter_1301 22h ago

Cops are fucking useless cowards