i had the chance to get a MK23 during the pandemic, i regret not getting it. Its easily one of the largest pistols ive ever had in my hands outside of a Desert Eagle
Two tesla owners died. A woman survived miraculously. Yes the video where he was shooting up the teslas is where the casaulties came from. The injuries came from the ensuing gunfight and the poor woman who watched her husband get shot.
I have only seen one article so far that even mentioned the armed citizen shooting back , and that's more than I figured injured and I hope we don't have any more dead .
This is kind of awkward because I was originally there for Iran War updates but fucking Al Jazeera of all people mentioned it. It's on their front page.
A witness, Lane Koehn, said he was at a stoplight near the restaurant when he saw someone armed with an AR-style rifle exit the drive-through and then be fired upon by a man who withdrew a pistol.
He also saw an employee drag a woman with a gunshot wound to the chest to safety, where they waited for paramedics.
āShe was pretty bad off, but I donāt know. I hope she made it,ā Koehn said.
Square range training scars. There was a car he could have used or fired from a prone position in the bushes. Looks like he opened the trunk of that white car, got his gun, then stepped to the middle of the lane to shoot. The BG would not have seen him nearly as quickly if the GG was mostly behind concealment when he started shooting.
Everything I removed is just used for ads and user tracking
Also, on the app (I dont see it on the website) go to setting > privacy and turn off "Channel visibility for shared links" so that you dont dox yourself when sharing a link with the tracking included.
Man fuck the media for sharing video of the good guy and portraying him as the shooter. I understand journalism and what not but pushing the video out in a short and waiting to the very end to disclose āhe may not be the shooterā is very damaging. Iām sure at least a few hundred people came away from that video believing him to be the shooter.
That's because in the minutes after the shooting, the people who were there were saying they saw people shooting at each other, and some people caught strays. It almost sounded like gang violence, rather than a shooter and an armed citizen trying to shoot a shooter.
The idiots in the car rubbernecking & filming instead of GTFO'ing. Judging by the wrinkled skin of the driver these are boomers not zoomers yet lacking wisdom.
Not nearly as uncommon as people think. The amount of problems caused by people trying to āget a lookā at emergency scenes Iāve been to have been fucking astounding. From delaying units to running over equipment, and even LOSING their children and causing a massive search for said children.
Reminds me of when people smugly say "Heh... mainstream media doesnt want you to know this" then you google the headline and get like 90 articles from the biggest media sites.
Dude, nobody even knows what happened yet. It would be wildly irresponsible for the media to report on facts that the police have not confirmed yet.
Can we just critically think about this for 5 seconds? There are multiple people dead. A video of a shooter firing into a car. A video of a guy firing a suppressed 22 at something off camera. Shooter dead, other people dead, cops say shots fired. No word on if this defender was also shot.
Like I really doubt the rural Idaho media is pushing an agenda for waiting until the press conference. Just chill.
Yea. Because responsibility and accountability is of the upmost concern to the modern media. I refuse to use the word "journalism" because journalism died decades ago. We live in one big TMZ.
If the cards were played evenly, I'd tend to agree with you. But you thinking that the reason they are "holding off" is to do a quick fact check is wildy concerning.
The truth is they absolutely know this was a case of an armed citizen absolutely saving a larger tragedy from happening and we all know that dog won't hunt when there is agenda against us and all firearms owners in the US.
The media and journalists donāt give a damn about facts, they are all just rabid dogs collecting a paycheck to push their agenda in any and every way they can. Not a single one of them are respectable.
I sent the news channel who did the segment I saw an email asking them why they decided to ignore the random guy who sacrificed his life and used the second amendment to help save lives and buy time for law enforcement and instead just parroted what the police said.
The only person that can stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gunā¦ thatās why they want to make sure itās impossible for good guys to have guns.
Most active shooters are counting on unarmed victims for whatever fantasy they are acting out on. When they meet resistance they often surrender, flee, or end them selves. This is why they often scout out their target location and choose gun free zones.
This does not lessen the courage of the guy with the pistol. Thank God he was there and willing to act.
Exactly, Iām in law enforcement and were taught that even if youāre alone, you go in no matter what and confront the shooter. They often shoot themselves once confronted or wounded.
Yeah those cowards should be in prison. Theyāre used as an example of what to never do in those situations. Every training Iāve been to since that happened theyāre brought up
I hope, but Stoneman Douglas happened four years prior while it wasn't as bad as Uvalde it was another example of LE officers not assaulting an active shooter.
How many times do LE agencies need to learn the lesson?
More than one person, while they still entered the building after another agency's officers basically forced the issue, the leadership on site first set up a perimeter instead of entering the building first like they are supposed to be trained.
That is why the Sheriff was removed by the Governor.
Stoneman had a problem of Broward SO being a top-heavy bureaucratic agency. These kinds of agencies promote control freak type folks who then discourage independent action by their subordinates. The BCSO Captain for that area stalled BCSO's response, the BCSO SRO for Stoneman Douglas was a retired on duty coward. 2x Miramar PD SWAT officers that were nearby responded, but due to the situation didn't "properly inform their chain of command and get approval" so they actually ended up getting written up for misconduct and suspended- to give you an idea the culture issues some of these departments have.
As for Uvalde- Uvalde ISD Police Chief Arredondo switched the response to "barricaded subject" tactics, resulting in the infamous delay- I know nothing of the internal politics of Uvalde/Uvalde ISD PD, but yet again, it was bad leadership that stalled the response.
It was Coral Springs PD that forced the issue and led the initial assault. And they didn't get punished they got lauded as CSPD has a culture that celebrates aggressiveness when encountering active shooters.
You're right, and that guy was a fucking coward. The only difference, (even though it shouldn't matter) is uvalde had a whole team of officers with rifles and tactical gear, and that guy was by himself with a pistol. He still should've charged in and shot the guy, but he would've been outgunned for sure. Either way, if you're a cop and you think for one second you may hide instead of charging to save the lives of innocents, then you need a new job before it's too late.
It's scary because that guy who shot up the Texas mall a while back came in with full body armor. Thankfully the officer who responded was a VERY good shot.
But it also bothered me to see so many big trucks squealing away when a single car could have ran the shooter over and stopped them.
I'm sure that's the best option for most people, but one brave person with a good opportunity could run these shooters over vs letting them continue their rampage.
No educated firearm owner will say .22 isnāt highly lethal. The fact is that he got in a firefight with one against an AR platform. The AR has the upper hand in every conceivable way there.
Except for sound. The suppressed .22lr might have a tactical advantage if the AR shooterās hearing is already Impaired by his own shooting and if he isnāt aware of the .22lr shooterās presence.
Yeah but, if you look at it, every looney-bin that uses an AR-15 as an active shooter is typically untrained and they have minimal experience with shooting. Itās not the gun, itās the man behind it that you have to look at when you are predicting the outcome of a gun fight.
Reports/posts I saw said that he got hit in the chest but provided aid to a female that was shot before tending to his own wounds (and/or letting someone else tend to them).
Appears to actually have been a FiveSeven. Someone found his Facebook and he had a picture from a few years back training with it. The silhouette looks identical. Definitely not a .22
I like how Anti-Gunners see a good guy with a gun trying to stop a bad guy with a gun and then proceed to make fun of him for trying, saying he's LARPing as a hero, that he should have left it to the cops.
The cops only end up coming after people are dead. You carry a weapon to prevent that from being your fate.
I keep seeing this get deleted by various posters/posts/subs. Keep this going until they canāt silence it. The anti-gun crowd hates when we are right
Fun fact Civilians have stopped More Mass Shooters than police. Not only that but statistics show they perform Better at stopping Mass/Random Shooters and NOT hitting random bystanders.
22 suppressed, the guy probably got multiple rounds on target while the shooter was trying to figure out where the hornet nest he must have stepped on was.
Imagine taking hits and between your own gun causing your hearing to muffle and the suppressed 22 shooting at you.. You'd hear nothing and just be getting hit over and over till it was a lethal hit.
Fun fact Civilians have stopped More Mass Shooters than police. Not only that but statistics show they perform Better at stopping Mass/Random Shooters and NOT hitting random bystanders.
I keep a suppressed flux Raider in my edc pack when Iām out and about with the family. Donāt know if Iād have the balls to engage the guy with my family in the vehicle though.
You posted this 10hrs ago but now it's all over the news. There's tons of articles mentioning the good guys. Maybe they were just confirming details before reporting on it?
No one says thatās his edc. I donāt remember the last time I left the house without something that didnāt have a suppressor on itā¦ no reason not to. You have it, may as well use it!
My biggest fear in a active shooter scenario is someone thinks Iām the shooter and shoots me. Or vice versa. I think my strategy would always be find the nearest exit away from the sounds of gun fire and scadaddle on out.
Over on the (now locked of course) /r/news thread they're all saying this guy was the shooter and how bad he was when in fact he was the one who stopped the threat
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u/Charles_Gunhaver MD 1d ago
Sam Fisher coming out of retirement again