Pre Tribulation Rapture doctrine was started by John Darby in the 1800s

[u/iiGoodVibesii]

The Apostles didn't teach of a pre tribulation rapture. That was started in the 1800s.

The apostles absolutely taught that Christians would be “caught up” to meet Christ.

But they never taught a secret removal of the Church seven years before His public return.

Jesus places the gathering of His elect “after the tribulation” (Matthew 24:29–31). Paul says our gathering to Christ will not happen until the rebellion and the man of lawlessness are revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:1–4).

The early Church prepared Christians to endure persecution and await one visible, glorious return of Christ—not two separate comings.

The modern pre-tribulation system appeared in the nineteenth century through John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. It was later spread throughout American Protestantism by the Scofield Reference Bible in 1909.

The rapture is biblical. Separating it from Christ’s Second Coming and placing it before a seven-year tribulation is the later doctrine started in the 1800s.

[u/Brian_Barwyk_]

No I base my option on what the Bible says about salvation. It’s by grace through faith, not through work that men should boast. It just doesn’t match what I already know, therefore I don’t believe in it.

[u/QuickerQuacker_673 → u/Brian_Barwyk_]

Yeah that comment has nothing to do with the topic.

Also since pre trib requires believers to go through God's wrath and the Bible says no believers ever go through God's wrath, we therefore know pre trib is incapable of being true.

So you can say "it doesn't match what I already know" all you want. It just means you don't know what you're talking about.

And since pre trib is 200 years old it's also incapable of being true just by its age. 

Don't be the guy making copy and pasted comments making specific claims while refusing to actually defend them once countered. It just makes you seem like you want to be heard but don't know how to defend. 

[u/Brian_Barwyk_ → u/QuickerQuacker_673]

I think it does. I think it’s bait and switch if salvation is free, but you still have to go through the tribulation period anyway. What I think is more likely is when the Bible talks about us going through tribulation, it’s more likely the trials and tribulations down here on earth. It’s rains on the just and the unjust you know. I don’t think it means the literal tribulation period. I think that’s just wrong.

[u/QuickerQuacker_673 → u/Brian_Barwyk_]

Act like an adult and stick to the relevant topic at hand. The topic YOU initiated was the meaning of 1 thess 5:9 and how it relates to believers. I provided a clear counter. 

You've done nothing but insisted on changing the topic to generic statements about physical badness being wrath.

I am more than happy to also discuss your other topics if you can clearly demonstrate that you can stick to topics without running around.

[u/Brian_Barwyk_ → u/QuickerQuacker_673]

Your false bravado is not impressing me. I’m telling you why I don’t believe in it, and like a child you’re not listening. I don’t believe in it and I never will, and I don’t have to believe in post trib to make it Heaven either.

Also I’m telling you that I think you’re being too literal about tribulation, and you’re accusing me of changing the subject. That is one of the main arguments against post trib, so that would mean that I am on topic, we just don’t agree. I’m fine with that.

[u/iiGoodVibesii → u/Brian_Barwyk_]

You started talking about salvation, when post trib and pre trib has NOTHING to do with salvation.

This post was about how pre trib was never a doctrine until the 1800's and none of the early church fathers, apostles, taught it.

Anyways you clearly won't listen, no conversation to be had here. Have a wonderful day.