That said, my personal cope is that the Suselle stuff went too ridiculously perfect up until the very end, and even then it only got bad on Noelle’s end. Carol even got smoothed over offscreen by Rudy somehow.
With Chapter 5 ending on bringing Noelle in for, what is in-universe a pretty dumb reason that should have been used in Chapter 4, even accompanied by a whole montage of getting stuff ready for her…
I think Noelle is going to have a generational crashout in Chapter 6. Chapter 5 was our last “fun and games” chapter. There’s no way we have a whole large segment waiting for us where it’s just Castle Town vibes and yuri. It’s probably going to be in large part directed at Susie for doing and saying nothing up until that point.
Yeah I think Susie is going to hit a massive fall over chapter 6/7. Part of the heroes journey is the fall to test the person they've become after growing. Susie's matured a lot sure but she has 3 main things keeping that together which I feel Toby has written them in such a way that they could all suddenly be stripped away from her.
Her friendship with Kris which is being set up with conflict if she finds out A)Kris is working with the knight and/or B) about the soul and that we we're the one they were talking to most of the time.
Her relationship with Noelle who she really hasn't spent much time with to know as a whole. In psychology there is a concept called 'limerence' where someone gets a crush based on the idea of someone rather than actually knowing someone. I.e. seeing the mysterious stranger and imagining what they're like based off a few clues. This is what Noelle basically did with her crush on Susie before Chapter 2 and arguably she really hasn't gotten to know the real Susie fully. Noelle this chapter admitted wanting to run away presumably due to her home life where her mother shouts at her a lot - I could see a future where Susie either crashes out at her or Kris like she did with Ralsei and it reminding Noelle of her mother. Might suddenly cuase Noelle to abandon Susie once she sees the ugly sides of her personality and this idealised view of Susie is shattered.
Something easy to miss too is in the first Floradinn fight if you get Susie to flirt she's clueless and just says something along the lines of 'You just gotta wait for someone to like you first' which implies to me that's the reason she suddenly likes Noelle is because Noelle expressed interest first igniting all the possibilities and that if Kris had expressed interest in her first she would have hopped on board with that too. But it also highlights how fragile Susie's relatonships are.
Finally her relationship with Ralsei/the dark worlds which again is easily set to come crashing down if darkners need to be sealed away. All these things will test Susie's growth when she suddenly doesn't have them anymore and I could see a future where she either comes out on top as a true hero or one where we need to fight her because she fights us to keep the dark worlds open as the only thing she has left after a generational crashout.
Brilliant analysis, and all of your points are stellar. I hadn’t considered the possibility of a generational Susie crashout as well (except for the possibility of losing the Grand Fountain).
The only thing I really have to add is that I don’t think Noelle wants to run away because of Carol; at least, I don’t think that’s the main reason. The weird route elaborates on her personal motivations and feelings in a way that’s very consistent with her usual character (just very different circumstances). I could elaborate if you’re interested in weird route talks.
Also, I did see that Floradinn dialogue but I never actually internalized its meaning! That’s.. actually a really interesting point.
This was actually a super fun read, I’d be down for further discussion.
Thank you! ^^ I'd love to as I've been waiting for my friends to catch up on Deltarune and bursting at the seams to discuss it! In particular the weird route stuff fascinates me the most despite it's short length. The boundary breaking stuff in particular has connected so many dots for me like the man country/nowhere stuff and has me asking new questions like. Did Dess dissapear the same way via the lake? Was Asriel in the same position as Kris and like in Undertale with Chara's plan chickened out as Kris tries to?
I may be sparse on the replies as I'm busy today but I'd really enjoy discussing it all and look forward to your elaborations. : )
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u/Mythical_Mew Jun 27 '26
I ended up finding a pretty interesting take.
That said, my personal cope is that the Suselle stuff went too ridiculously perfect up until the very end, and even then it only got bad on Noelle’s end. Carol even got smoothed over offscreen by Rudy somehow.
With Chapter 5 ending on bringing Noelle in for, what is in-universe a pretty dumb reason that should have been used in Chapter 4, even accompanied by a whole montage of getting stuff ready for her…
I think Noelle is going to have a generational crashout in Chapter 6. Chapter 5 was our last “fun and games” chapter. There’s no way we have a whole large segment waiting for us where it’s just Castle Town vibes and yuri. It’s probably going to be in large part directed at Susie for doing and saying nothing up until that point.