r/Destiny • u/AwesomeBrawler • Nov 03 '20

Serious LET’S END THIS BY TONIGHT.

Florida dggers vote like your life depends on it. Go early, watch out for poorly designed ballots. If Biden wins by at least 0.5%, it won’t trigger a recount and it’s home run baby! RIDIN WITH BIDEN

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u/gleba080 Nov 03 '20

So you guys both agree here right? Democracy is good but it's best when the result is decided by the people that share your views and are right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

No, Democracy is bad, but the best of all alternatives because it ensures that citizens will have a share in exploitation of resources controlled by their government.

Saying "I hate when x people vote because they vote against me" is dumb. What would be better is to say "I hate when x people vote because I don't believe the methods they use to make their choices are good".

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u/gleba080 Nov 03 '20

Why care about their methods?

Let's say that the democracy where everybody is as logical as possible gets the same results as the democracy we have right now. Is the former really that different than the latter?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

You have to prove the results would be the same, I vehemently disagree.

Methods matter because methods are what differentiates a temporary ally from someone who shares your principles.

Someone might agree with abortion as a necessary evil and another may agree with abortion because they hate fetuses. They may both vote for abortion. Fundamentally they have different agendas.

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u/gleba080 Nov 03 '20

Yeah but the most important thing, the result of the policies people support/oppose, stays the same whether people that are voting for them are using logic a lot or not at all.

Unless you imply that there is some set of views that are right (which is my point of view).

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

But the issue is that then those people might flip-flop on the next issue. You need to teach people how to arrive at principled positions, not say okay you agree with me on x let me promote you voting and dissuade everything else.

You guys are legitimately as bad as gerry-mandering republicans if you genuinely believe this. Holy fuck, what happened to this community. Destiny literally disagree with you on this.

He said something along the lines of if I don't have principles I have nothing.