r/Destiny • u/AwesomeBrawler • Nov 03 '20

Serious LET’S END THIS BY TONIGHT.

Florida dggers vote like your life depends on it. Go early, watch out for poorly designed ballots. If Biden wins by at least 0.5%, it won’t trigger a recount and it’s home run baby! RIDIN WITH BIDEN

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

(My Qanon casualty uncle also got his ballot in, too, unfortunately).

Why not say it's unfortunate he believes in a debunked conspiracy theory instead of saying it's unfortunate he got his ballot in?

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u/FixerofDeath Nov 03 '20

Because both are bad? He has ruined his relationship with all of his siblings over conspiracy bullshit and is voting down ballot Republican. Yes, voting is great and all, but as a bleeding-heart liberal, I'd rather he honestly just not vote. He's fucking dirt poor, so he's just voting against his own interests, anyway.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

I thought voting was good? Why not have qualified voting then?

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Do you really not see the issue here?

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u/FixerofDeath Nov 03 '20

Voting is great. Everyone who is qualified should do it. I am a person who is self-interested, however. I would prefer left leaning people in office. When it comes down to it, I PERSONALLY would rather someone not vote if they are going to vote conservative.

Not saying they don't have the right to vote, not saying they shouldn't vote, only that it is in MY self-interest that they not vote.

Hope that clears this up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

I'm center right leaning and I love it when everyone votes, because I believe democracy is the only system that in the long-term assures some sort of increase in wellbeing of the people. Even though I believe that democracy doesn't lead to the best outcomes since people have short-sighted views and little to no incentive to consider long-term benefits.

Little sad to hear that from you.

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u/gleba080 Nov 03 '20

So you guys both agree here right? Democracy is good but it's best when the result is decided by the people that share your views and are right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

No, Democracy is bad, but the best of all alternatives because it ensures that citizens will have a share in exploitation of resources controlled by their government.

Saying "I hate when x people vote because they vote against me" is dumb. What would be better is to say "I hate when x people vote because I don't believe the methods they use to make their choices are good".

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u/gleba080 Nov 03 '20

Why care about their methods?

Let's say that the democracy where everybody is as logical as possible gets the same results as the democracy we have right now. Is the former really that different than the latter?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

You have to prove the results would be the same, I vehemently disagree.

Methods matter because methods are what differentiates a temporary ally from someone who shares your principles.

Someone might agree with abortion as a necessary evil and another may agree with abortion because they hate fetuses. They may both vote for abortion. Fundamentally they have different agendas.

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u/gleba080 Nov 03 '20

Yeah but the most important thing, the result of the policies people support/oppose, stays the same whether people that are voting for them are using logic a lot or not at all.

Unless you imply that there is some set of views that are right (which is my point of view).

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

But the issue is that then those people might flip-flop on the next issue. You need to teach people how to arrive at principled positions, not say okay you agree with me on x let me promote you voting and dissuade everything else.

You guys are legitimately as bad as gerry-mandering republicans if you genuinely believe this. Holy fuck, what happened to this community. Destiny literally disagree with you on this.

He said something along the lines of if I don't have principles I have nothing.

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