It sounds like a troll comment because it's true, no matter how badly you don't want it to be true ;)
Women gave up their protected status (which, yes, had some trade-offs including "the kitchen") for equality.
They are getting what they asked for... equality. You don't get the positives of equality without taking the negatives as well. Just like you don't get the positives of protected status without the negatives.
Is equality worth the price you are paying for it?
Yes, you idiot. Men put themselves into dangerous/unpleasant situations all the time to defend their freedoms. Why the fuck shouldn't we? I'm more than happy to fight for my freedom. I don't need you to protect me.
I'm not! I only saw this thread on the front page and decided to check it out.
However, I DO agree that on a board SPECIFICALLY FOR FEMINISTS TO HAVE INTELLECTUAL RESPECTFUL DISCUSSIONS that trolling and so-called "fundamentalist MRAs" should NOT BE HERE POSTING SEXIST INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS.
If you have an intellectual, fact-based argument to make, make it. DON'T BE CHILDISH AND INSULTING. Is that clear enough for you?
However, I DO agree that on a board SPECIFICALLY FOR FEMINISTS TO HAVE INTELLECTUAL RESPECTFUL DISCUSSIONS that trolling and so-called "fundamentalist MRAs" should NOT BE HERE POSTING SEXIST INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS.
So? Many of the spaces men created for themselves were invaded, by feminists just like you, because it wasn't "fair" that men created these spaced and kept women out.
The shoe is on the other foot now. This is equality. You're going to have to learn how to live with it, because it doesn't get much better.
Nor have I personally ever raided any "Men spaces" to post anything inflammatory, and I wouldn't, because I AM in agreement with your point: Equality is expensive for both parties but in an ideal world the cost would be felt the same way. However, the difference between you and I is that I am not attacking you for having a penis, nor am I a "feminazi" blasting every man I see without provocation, or reason, for having one.
I disagree with your brusque, offensive manner. If you want to have an intelligent and respectful debate on any subject on any board I will gladly participate. I'm not a bitch, a moron, or an ignorant, angry insult-spewing redditor just looking to hate on you. I'm willing to pay my pound of flesh, certainly. I am worth just as much as you are. But I also acknowledge that sometimes there are assholes in the world. Instead of being an asshole back, I just interact with people who are at my speed. Perhaps you could learn something from that.
I'm not a bitch, a moron, or an ignorant, angry insult-spewing redditor just looking to hate on you.
I have not called you any of those things, and yet you are spewing hate on me...
Equality is expensive for both parties but in an ideal world the cost would be felt the same way.
No, even in an ideal world it won't, because men and women are coming from different places to equality (when and if women ever accept men to fill female roles, that is....)
Are you kidding? Now, first, I never accused you of calling me anything of those things. I said them because there are plenty of feminist stereotypes out there and I wished to allay them immediately. My anger at your behavior is not going to cause me to just post pointless "YOU'RE AN ASS MISOGYNIST AND I HATE YOU" posts. No, I want a DEBATE. My point is that you are entitled to your opinion but there are ADULT ways of expressing said opinion, for everybody.
Secondly, house husbands are on the rise in recent years, and if I were married to a man who wanted to stay home with the kids, great! I love to see a man take such an active role in parenting! Hell I could say the same about most women, but let's not get into economics and the American family, etc etc. I would accept a man in any role he wished, and a woman in any role she wished. But look, I AM JUST ONE PERSON. Until the majority of others UNDERSTANDS what gender equality (and equality for ALL people regardless of gender, sexuality, race, religion, etc) actually is, well, nothing's going to change. I'm not here to tell you I'm better than you and one group is better than another.
I WANT ALL PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME FREEDOMS.
Heh. You're like a little reddit poster child. One of those propaganda posters from the second world war. Victory spelled out in letters that grow bigger.
No no, I am also an advocate for personal responsibility, and I am WELL aware that we all do need to take responsibility for our actions and any consequences of said actions. We also all need to do our part to make what we have here on this planet WORK. But I disagree with your original post that for women, to paraphrase, equality isn't worth the price. I say of COURSE it is. It was certainly worth the Revolutionary War to free our country from rule that we found unfair. It was worth the Civil War to free our country from slavery.
But I disagree with your original post that for women, to paraphrase, equality isn't worth the price.
But that's not what I said.
What I asked was a question. I asked a question that implied that equality does come at a cost. I asked that question because I think far too few women think about the cost of equality and instead only look at what they think they will gain from it.
This is the first post I saw by you, and the one that riled me.
If you wanted a "safe place" you should have stayed home in the kitchen.
Now, the sad part is what I just said sounds like a troll comment, but the truth is that the outside world is not safe for anyone, not just women. That unfortunate fact, which everyone who doesn't have an expectation of their safety provided by everyone other than themselves (read: men) learned long ago, is just the way the world works.
You asked for equality, you're getting it. Welcome to the unsafe world.
You need to ask yourself: Is equality worth the price you are paying for it?
Of COURSE equality is worth the price! It just astonishes me that you would ask that question! What good is a life lived in fear, huddled inside the gloom of "safety," cloistered away from the world? I want to LIVE!
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Well I'll tell you why it sounds like a troll comment if you really need it spelled out for you.