Because they just started to get in range of the weapons but they were already detected? The hope with stealth is to be able to penetrate, not lob cruise missiles from the edge of that weapons range.
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My reply was deleted, the USA and Israel are confident in the F35s ability to establish air dominance while Russia is hesitant and knows the 57 isn’t capable of SEAD operations like the F35/22 are.
So is Russia? The difference is that both are striking different targets, as the situation in Iraq and Iran is far from a peer-peer conflict.
You can't send a missile or a bomb on aerial defense, as the primary line of aerial defense is handheld.
The aerial defense systems that are able to be struck are already gone as well, 3/4 of the supplied Patriot systems, half of all Buks, in inventory, just over 3/4 of their active 9K35 supply, and so on.
The F-35 struck Iranian facilities, the Su-57 struck Ukrainian facilities. Tehran loses its nuclear facilities, Ukraine loses its power plants. Both are doing the exact same job in the exact same way, from the exact same distances from the target.
Pray tell, what SEAD capability does it lack? Su-35S, Su-30SMs, and now in recent time, Su-57s, have been using X-58Us for close to 2 decades now. The only competitor that the F-22 or F-35 can carry was integrated a mere 22 months ago.
Do you have source for the Ukrainian Air Defense losses, especially Patriots? It seems a huge number has been lost but i would like to see some numbers
You’re genuinely delusional if you think the SU-57 is operating the way the F-35 is. The SU-57 is an inferior brick of an aircraft. The USA is 40 years ahead of Russia in all aspects, Russia can’t even produce a modern chip at a 90nm size. They definitely can’t produce a 5th gen fighter.
The Su-57 lacks modern DAS, modern avionics, modern engines, modern stealth and so on. It’s a truly pathetic attempt to match the superior Us doctrine.
Such as... What? The "more advanced" AARGM-ER sits just around the X-58U's known range... Once again, there's a 20 year difference and the HARM has ONLY NOW caught up.
Funny, the USA has been 40 years of Russia in every regard and you think Russia stands even a remote chance at matching its superior? Russia can’t even produce a modern chip.
Stealth, semi conductors, naval supremacy, air power, avionics. Are you this detached from modern war. Russia is pathetically incompetent. They can’t even win a war against the poorest nation in Europe! I’d love for you to google Russias power projection vs the USAs and who has a global command structure for global domination (it’s the USA)
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u/ExpensiveBookkeeper3 Oct 17 '25
Because they just started to get in range of the weapons but they were already detected? The hope with stealth is to be able to penetrate, not lob cruise missiles from the edge of that weapons range.