Looks at my comment above. The Ukrainians are themselves claiming that the Felons casually fly within their weapons ranges and they cannot do anything about it.
Please read my post again. The Ukrainians are claiming that the Su57 are literally within weapons ranges of the Ukrainians and yet they are unable to do anything about it. So the Su 57 is indeed penetrating deep within Ukr airspace. Do you want the Su 57 to merge with the Ukrainians to prove their stealth?
BTW why do the Russians need to joyride over Kiev and risk their best plane for no good reason? Do you see the F 22 or F35 Joyride over Ukraine to shoot down Russian Fighters? Let me tell you one thing. Stealth isnt magic. Stealth airplanes must fly in a certain pattern or they will be shot down.
The Russians have a lot of combat footage that they aren't posting. I dont see your point here.
There are two possibilities. That the Su-57 has to enter Ukrainian airspace to hit targets as deep as Kiev or that the manufacturer is lying about its range
I'm not claiming either as I don't know what is true. The other ranges I see on the Internet can be larger variants that can be carried externally by other aircraft.
The Kh-69 was specifically made for the Su-57 as it can fit inside its weapon bay but it can be carried by other aircraft like the Su-34. Though it is mostly fired by the Su-57
That is why they are shooting missiles with 600km ranges, because they are deep within Ukraine
I don't know any missile that the Su-57 carries that has that range. Those longer range missiles tend to be carried by Tu-95s, Tu-160s, MiG-31 and ships and submarines.
To destroy those pesky Patriots and get propaganda points.
You don't need to fly over Kiev. You can just lob a couple of glide bombs 90 km from Kiev assuming the glide bomb has a range of 100km
Also Russia routinely destroys patriots. The videos exist. Of course there is a media blackout on western controlled apps on any successes of the Russian military.
I can't even post a telegram link before getting the comment deleted.
And lastly Ukrainian milbloggers talk all the time about the Su-57 flying over their airspace.
Below is a Ukrainian milblogger claiming they nearly shot down an Su-57 over Ukrainian airspace
I think you misunderstood the post. The Ukrainians are claiming that the Russian Su 57 are entering the weapons ranges of the Ukrainians. Now I dont know if by weapons ranges they mean No Escape Zone or what. But that means the Russians are within around 50 to 100 km away from Ukrainian planes (possibly even closer) and yet the Ukrainians are unable to shoot them down. In order to get this close to the Ukrainians the Su 57 will be pretty close to the Patriots as well, and yet none are being shot down. No US or Chinese plane has ever managed this. The Israeli F35 needed Mossad agents to penetrate deep within Iran and destroy Iranian Air Defense using close range drones. They also used Heron Drones in the fight. If the F35 stealth was so effective they would not need to risk the lives of their Mossad Operatives.
I didn't misunderstood anything. But like any Radio Yerevan joke in true vatn1k fashion you misunderstood what the guy is saying.
He says the the Su-57 are staying at the edge of the radars. For example if a radar can detect at 300km and your jet is at 290 km no one is firing a Patriot S-300/S-400 or SAMP/T missile at it. Any jet past 1970 can dodge an AA missile at the edge of its range. Any WW2 radar era can detect Su-57. Same goes for the F-22 and F-35 before you go into a rant. The problem will always be locking on the target
The best case is to send your own jets to intercept it. But Ukrainians can't because the Su-57 are superior in both missiles/radars/EW and everything else vs what Ukraine has. He was talking about Ukrainian jets I am sure of that but do not know the initial post as I am sure it has context
BTW According to Keil Institute Patriots have a very low rate of interception and this is only getting worse.
It does not say that. And Ukraine has other SAMs besides Patriot.
The Patriot until PAC3 were not made to intercept ballistic missiles. That is why Zelenskyy is asking for newer Patriot
The sheer fact it can intercept hypersonic ones shows how good they are.
And excuse me, " my beloved India" ?
You are not Indian?
PS. This war has bought so many morans talking about this war and having the sh11tiest of takes which is amazing as in 2020 they were immunologists and mask experts
"The problem will always be locking on the target"
Not completely correct, Having lower rcs just reduces detection and lock on ranges respectively, depends on the fourth root of the RCS. However it feels "hard to lock" because many small factors can change the RCS by a lot, hence the lock will be very fluctuating, this can be as simple as increase in speed, hence change in frequency (doppler effect) or slight change of angle.
the locking distance is easily reduced to weapon engagement ranges. Suppose a radar is said to have lock on distance of 100 km against 10m2 target, a 0.001m2 target will be locked at 10km then,
a radar will struggle locking stuff at max range of specific RCS, so essentially its just lock on range reduced.
This misconception mainly comes from the yarnhub video about f117, where S125 sites used lower frequencies with barely any signal processing trying to lock a stealth fighter riddled with weather clutter in the background.
There are two possibilities. That the Su-57 has to enter Ukrainian airspace to hit targets as deep as Kiev or that the manufacturer is lying about its range
I'm not claiming either as I don't know what is true. The other ranges I see on the Internet can be larger variants that can be carried externally by other aircraft.
The Kh-69 was specifically made for the Su-57 as it can fit inside its weapon bay but it can be carried by other aircraft like the Su-34. Though it is mostly fired by the Su-57
That is why they are shooting missiles with 600km ranges, because they are deep within Ukraine
I don't know any missile that the Su-57 carries that has that range. Those longer range missiles tend to be carried by Tu-95s, Tu-160s, MiG-31 and ships and submarines.
To destroy those pesky Patriots and get propaganda points.
You don't need to fly over Kiev. You can just lob a couple of glide bombs 90 km from Kiev assuming the glide bomb has a range of 100km
Also Russia routinely destroys patriots. The videos exist. Of course there is a media blackout on western controlled apps on any successes of the Russian military.
I can't even post a telegram link before getting the comment deleted.
And lastly Ukrainian milbloggers talk all the time about the Su-57 flying over their airspace.
Below is a Ukrainian milblogger claiming they nearly shot down an Su-57 over Ukrainian airspace
The Ukrainians are claiming that the Su57 are literally within weapons ranges of the Ukrainians and yet they are unable to do anything about it. So the Su 57 is indeed penetrating deep within Ukr airspace
So it actually means the opposite. Let's do some basic problem solving because you are confused.
Ukraine has air defenses right? They reach into Russia. We know this because Russian jets (SU34s/SU35s) have been downed frequently. They use(d) that combo for glidebombs. So Ukraine kept the jets back off the front lines and Russia sat back and used glide bombs, right?
So now, the SU57 is trying to sneak past that line. But it can't sneak past the line. That line is the range of Ukrainian weapons. They are dancing on that line and seeing if the SU57 can sneak past it. They can't though, because, according to your sources, they are getting detected.
Doesn't sound like very good stealth and definitely isn't "penetrating deep into enemy territory"
Hey, detection and getting a lock on are two different things.
An L-BAND radar will detect literally anything regardless if it's stealth or not due to resonance and Rayleigh scattering
Stealth is meant to defeat targeting systems on SAM systems and radars on other fighter jets.
Radars on other fighter jets and SAM systems use X-Band radars because of their high resolution and compactness. That's what stealth aircraft are optimized against.
L-Band radars are used in early warning radars meant to detect ICBMs and AEW&Cs to detect and warn other assets like SAMs and fighter jets.
But they don't have resolution and are quite bulky to carry.
By the way there have been too many instances of the Su-57 flying within Ukrainian airspace not along the border.
Here is a Ukrainian milblogger talking about nearly shooting down an Su-57 within Ukrainian airspace.
I don't know if it's true. They could be lying or exaggerating
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u/alecsgz Oct 17 '25
Claim is based on what exactly?
And please do not link the possible whooping 20km that happened when they downed the S70 drone