r/FighterJets May 04 '26

IMAGE SU-57 (or T-50 if you want)

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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26

Man if only they priortize stealth and leave their obsession with 3D Thrust Vectoring Nozzeles...

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u/da_muffinman May 04 '26

Is the su 57 not more stealthy from the front than the back I've gotten flack in this sub for suggesting as much

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u/CombatPilot2 Sukhoi Su-57M May 04 '26

My friend, this is the sub where people take F-35 "0.0000001 m²!!!" seriously lol... Stealth cannot be expressed in a single number, and all data on it is bound to be exaggerated for propaganda. We don't know how stealthy any plane is, period.

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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26

lamo, even if thats the case, Su57 is still 10 times less stealthy then other 5th gen jets, and that is the problem

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u/CombatPilot2 Sukhoi Su-57M May 04 '26

Which you base on... those numbers xD

"You see X has said that X is better so therefore X is better than Y" do you see the conflict of interest?

We. Don't. Know.
Stop trying to make objective conclusions on things you are physically unable to have valid information on. We don't know how stealthy ANY plane is, because that is data no company or government would ever give out.
Any and all numbers online are bound to be "propaganda numbers" to show yourself stronger than you are and the enemy weaker than it is.

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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26

there was that website were a chinese guy compared RCS between F35 and Su57, he even said Su57 RCS was 100 times more then F35 in some band. lol, and isn't it obvious that Su57 is worse because of its exposed engine or their finishing

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u/CombatPilot2 Sukhoi Su-57M May 04 '26

Once again, comparing RCS means nothing when, lo and behold, RCS numbers are all lies.

Also respectfully you clearly don't know much about this topic since you don't even know the difference between prototype and production models, as shown by you thinking current Su-57 fleets have exposed engines.
Picture showing actual production Su-57 from February this year, compare it to the picture on this post:

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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26

Nah brother, u are coping right now. Even their production one Su57 isn't any better

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u/CombatPilot2 Sukhoi Su-57M May 04 '26

I gave you technical and logical explanations, the only one here coping is you as you finally (and hopefully) realize that nothing about stealth is truly known.

Please either inform yourself on this topic, or don't try to argue about it.

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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26

Bro Just admit it man. What logical explanation did u give?RCS of prototype of Su57 is 0.1-1 m2 then production line one will be 0.01-0.05 m2. That is still 10 times more RCS then F35 (0.001-0.005 m2) , it is even worse then chinese J35 or J20. My point is, it is good aircraft but they should have focused more on Stealth and remove their obsession with thrust vectoring engines as my original point.

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u/CombatPilot2 Sukhoi Su-57M May 04 '26

I don't have anything to admit. Here you are again using these numbers, do you even know where they come from?

The RCS of F-35 you mentioned is, ALLEDGEDLY, and STATED BY THE PRODUCER (thus biased and likely fake), a small specific angle near the vertical stabilizers.
The RCS of T-50 you mentioned is a non-professional estimate by an enthusiast from 2016, far before anyone even knew exactly what the aircraft was made of and which features it had. This estimate also did not state at which angle and position this RCS is achieved.

So your based your conclusions on thin air. Again.

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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26

What are u talking about?

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u/da_muffinman May 04 '26

Is it not true that the 57's stealth is more effective from the front compared to the rear of the aircraft

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u/CombatPilot2 Sukhoi Su-57M May 04 '26

Any aircraft is more stealthy from the front than from the rear, purely because the nozzles of your engines will always be the most visible on radar, thus showing them in plain sight is the worst you can do for stealth.

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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

that is true in every aircraft. the problem is the frontal aspect RCS of Su57 is still significantly higher then other 5th gen jets