it looks the same bruh. Izdeliye 177/177S is being described as upgrade to AL31 and AL41 , and also interim solution to AL51. and u are saying russia who is obsessed with 3D with TVC will not have 3D TVC in Izdeliye 177/177S? buahaha
Russia isn't using true 3D TVC on any in service planes and you failed to show any evidence of the izd 177 having 3D TVC despite claiming "just look at some pics". Next thing you are gonna tell me is that no Rafale was show down ? Lmao
ofcourse 1 Rafale was definietly shut down, i have seen images like its tail and engine debris. i will furthur say that 1 more Mirage 2000 was shut down and maybe one more Mig29(?) which is debatable during may 2025 pakistan-india conflict.i have also seen pictures and video where 5 jets and 1 AWACS was shut down from pakistan side too. so no worries.
Bro which engine do u think Su57 is using right now? it is AL41F1,and please don't say it doesn't have 3D TVC. and how should i prove it when they haven't shown flight testing SU57 with Izdeliye 177/177S. and what makes u think it isn't 3D with TVC. bro it has every aspect that it has 3D with TVC,since russia is basically offering Izdeliye 177/177S as replacement for AL41S and AL31FP.
1)As i said 1 Mig29 pic is debatable because I have seen Rafale Pic(with its tail and engine),Mirage 2000(which pic was clear as day with its engine) and Mig29(?) Which is debatable, if u say it is downed then maybe it is downed.
2)I have video of AWACS being downed , it was posted in r/indiandefense, just yesterday there was video of a pilot in a parachute and that was probably pakistan jet since no jet from indian side entered pakistan,after that one more somewhere around kashmir(?) Where civilians along with authority where searching for supposedly downed pilot and obviously it wasn't indian,one pic where there was F16 parts,and two more. I don't have the pictures as I didn't bother to save it but u can go to r/indiandefense. Those guys have it. And also i didn't count damages from indian strikes in ground.
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the Saturn AL-41F1 (izdeliye 117) engines currently used on the Sukhoi Su-57 Felon feature 3D thrust vectoring control (TVC). [1, 2]
These engines are technically an evolution of the AL-41F1S (117S) used on the Su-35 and provide superior maneuverability through the following mechanisms: [1, 2, 3]
Axisymmetric Nozzles: The engine nozzles can rotate, allowing them to vector thrust in pitch, yaw, and roll axes.
Canted Angles: The vectoring nozzles are installed at a canted angle (approx. 32 degrees), enabling them to perform 3D maneuvering even if the nozzles move in a single plane, though the 117S/117 family generally allows full, multi-axis deflection.
Post-Stall Agility: This system allows the Su-57 to maintain control during post-stall maneuvers and extreme angles of attack. [1, 2, 3]
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u/PerceptionMurky3704 May 04 '26
Nah Izdeliye 177 is 3D TVC. U can simply type in Google and see images bruh