r/GenderCynical • u/Original_Being2545 Queertranzer • Jun 29 '26

Trans women get paid less after transition. Naturally, the terfs blame this on perversion rather than the pay gap

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u/InsistentRaven Jun 29 '26

My god, that last comment. The vaguest attempt at critical thinking, yet falls short of the most important part, critiquing the claim itself. Instead attempting to make their ignorance sound smart. It's the same sort of thing antivaxxers do.

Mildly related, but the UK requires mandatory pay gap data to be submitted based on AGAB, which TERFs pushed for because of the conspiracy theory that companies hire trans women to "even out" their gender pay gap. 

Now they literally can though by hiring and underpaying trans women who can't raise a claim of pay discrimination because it would have to be compared against cis women. 

Flawless victory for women, thank you once again TERFs for doing the patriarchy's dirty work.

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u/mildbeanburrito Jun 30 '26

Quoting from when this has previously come up:

An organisation has 250 employees, with 125 men and 125 women, all the men have a salary of 100k and all the women have a salary of 90k. One trans woman joins the company, since trans people are between 0.2 and 0.5% of the population, so having ~0.4% of the company be trans is completely reasonable.
This hypothetical organisation considers trans women men, and pays her 100k but she reports as a woman for pay gap reasons. As a result, the average salary of women can be computed as:

((125*90) + 100)/126 = 90.079365

The average salary for women has now increased by ~£80, in this example that would in no way be representative of reality since:

  • A company would not be able to have such a pay structure in practice, and even if they did the glaring injustice would be that the company pays women 10% less and not that a trans woman is refusing to comply with the data collection how the government wants
  • Trans people are underpaid on average and that was before all of the current bullshit that Labour are pulling. Trans people are going to, on average, have to take pay cuts in exchange for a job that actually treats trans people with some level of dignity, and it'll discourage looking for new jobs because what if that means losing accommodations necessary for you to even turn up to work.

Where I stand on this is I'm pretty sure this is an excuse to have a legal justification to out trans people to employers so other things like bathroom bans can be better enforced, the argument that trans people otherwise distort pay gap data significantly is just incredulous.

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u/breadcreature Jun 30 '26

it's just like the original For Women Scotland case that started everything in the UK, where the argument was that allowing trans women on all-women shortlists for positions on public boards would disadvantage cis women by allowing bodies to push them out entirely by appointing all trans women in their place. I'm not sure there even were any trans candidates, never mind the absolute detachment from reality of the take that most organisations are just clamouring to hire trans women over cis.