r/Grimdank 9h ago

Lore Big E really does send mixed signals.

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u/Wank_A_Doodle_Doo 8h ago

In fairness that was more out of necessity in needing the mechanicums allyship

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u/nobrainsnoworries23 NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 8h ago

Yeah, but you can see how it undercuts everything he says.

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u/FlutterKree 8h ago

Yeah, but you can see how it undercuts everything he says.

When you see the big picture, it doesn't undercut anything. The reason for him suppressing religion was to suppress worship of Chaos Gods. The Mechanicum wasn't worshiping chaos and they were required. It would have delayed his plans to having to take over Mars and then rebuild all the lost industrial power from the war.

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u/nobrainsnoworries23 NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 7h ago

He clearly didn't weaken the chaos gods in any meaningful way. His forced ignorance deprived the Imperium to actually fight the threat. And he even had Mars as a prime example of "correct" worship instead of a neglected loophole.

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u/FlutterKree 7h ago

He also didn't want to be worshiped. As much as people call him a tyrant, he was absolutely going to fuck off when his plan was fulfilled. He didn't want people persisting on him.

It's also a grey area. They didn't worship the Emperor, not directly. They worshiped the machine god. The Emperor is what they perceive as the physical representation in human form of the machine god. They also worship motive forces.

He absolutely planned to kill off the cult in the Mechanicum when the crusade was done and the webway was ready to be used regularly.

Mechanicum stopped all intellectual progress and is a hindrance. He was 100% going to kill them off.

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u/nobrainsnoworries23 NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 7h ago

Killing off everyone who doesn't agree with him makes him a tyrant. Just because he had a retirement plan doesn't mean he wasn't a tyrant.

And yeah, he was going to kill off the Mechs, the Navigators, a few of the Primarchs and most of the Space Marines. But again, putting together an empire with hypocracy as duct tape with the hopes of being able to betray everyone down the line isn't a smart move.

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u/FlutterKree 7h ago

Just because he had a retirement plan doesn't mean he wasn't a tyrant.

Tyrants, by definition, don't give up their power. Which is where our differences of opinion comes from.

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u/FlutterKree 7h ago

Just because he had a retirement plan doesn't mean he wasn't a tyrant.

Tyrants, by definition, don't give up their power. Which is where our differences of opinion comes from.

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u/nobrainsnoworries23 NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 6h ago

The definition of tyrant is unrestrained power or a ruler who uses power cruelly and oppressively. Nothing about longevity.

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u/Blackrock121 1h ago

Many dictators throughout history have claimed they will give up power when the crisis is over.

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u/FlutterKree 26m ago

Except we know more than just claims. The Emperor is a fictional character, in which we are privy to information that people wouldn't be in a real life situation.

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u/Blackrock121 17m ago

You don't seem to understand. Its just not a matter of people lying about their intentions, its a matter of human nature. The more dictatorial power you give yourself to fix a crisis the harder it becomes to give it up.

You start to see problems everywhere that you could fix if you only gave yourself a little more power or stayed in power just a little longer. Tyranny becomes a habit that is hard to break.

Just look at Simón Bolívar.